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[bogey666]

by sheer coincidence I stumbled unto Seoul's craigslist this weekend:

box of chocolates, this wouldn;t be you, would it?

[bogey666]

btw.. boxofchocolates.

I, for one, will PROUDLY be a lecherous and dirty old man, when the inevitable time comes. After all, at that age, what does a guy have left?

your characterization smacks of gross ageism. Whereas some/many women lose their libido and interest in sex after kids and menapause, men do not until the moment they die.

ergo, that makes them lecherous and dirty when the same guy 40 or even 20 years younger is simply a "normal man"?

[DaeguKid]

[Xuanzang]

[victorology]

Ha, looks like there's some funny stuff on Craigslist. On my way to check it out now.

[aboxofchocolates]

[sjrm]

[bogey666]

box of chocolates, it seems you're missing the point of "selling" sex.

you have a severe distaste for things that very often happen OUTSIDE of prostitution.

like:

[aboxofchocolates]

[jkelly80]

Of course men are there to have their needs met. Otherwise why get into it? Women don't even know what their needs are half the time. Is that our fault?

I have strong suspicion so many men wouldn't be such cads when it comes to their relationships with women if women didn't respond so positively to it.

[bogey666]

I love it when women "pounce" on me, BoxO.

I actually don't take issue with objectification of either women OR men.

it's preposterous to deny biology and the way we're wired.

it's not a shock most johns will be older.. and most hookers will be younger.

they both have the key attributes of what makes the transaction worthwhile for both parties.

the older guys, being guys will like YOUNG(er) women and the younger women knowing that their youth (and their feminine sexual organ) is their greatest and declining asset, decide to make money off this declining asset.

in our "normal" and tremendously hypocritical society, this has been called "marriage", and staying a virgin until marriage.

now you have a perfect right to feel however you do about prositution, and the issues surrounding it.. but what really IRKS me is how and why your feelings (or anyone else's for that matter) should interfere with the right of two ADULTS to enter into an agreement of their own choosing, which affects NO one else, no matter how distasteful you may find it.

there is something truly disturbing about that, don't you think?

p.s. btw re your gender "needs" inequality, there are a number of "male escort" clubs and the like springing up, someone posted about one in Seoul not too far back and I know they exist in Thailand. Ergo, it's also there for women (and older women) who may like the roles reversed and can escape/put aside the moralistic demons that have been brainwashed into them since childhood. (though in practice, we all know there is no real need for such places for women anyways - women due to having a v.a.g.i.n.a. have ALWAYS held the upper hand) and if they're interested in giving it up for whatever price, or most certainly no price at all, there will ALWAYS be interested takers.

[aboxofchocolates]

[bogey666]

well, I'm not sure why you're so hung up on only one half experiencing sexual desire.

of course, I'm all for BOTH people experiencing it - but if for whatever reason one of them chooses to put it aside, because they have made and accepted the calculation that this will bring them either needed (or merely extra money to be enjoyed on other things), then who am I, or you to question it.

if a woman chooses to put aside sexual excitement for the ability to have multiple orgasms later while shopping for Gucci or Prada or shoes, or what have you, who am I am to say "no you can't do that" (or even the joy in being able to buy milk or a toy for her child) - (let's face it a high percentage of hookers, especially in developing countries are single mothers)

I'll have to agree to disagree with about the "power in the equation stuff", because you are treating a "v.a.g.i.n.a." as a commodity that is somehow different from other commodities, to be purchased in the marketplace. The truth is that (as jkelly and others have pointed out) by virtue of having a v.a.g.i.n.a., it's women who have held the "power" in the equation for millenia, and it's not going to change anytime soon.

when a man or a man's hairy ass "launches a thousand ships" as it did in the case of the Trojan War, you let me know, ok???

re piggish behavior, you don't have to like it, but frankly no one has to "justify" their actions to you (or me) either. Since when and whom has made US the arbiters of what is or isn't "piggish"?

re Western socitety and woman's desireability, etc. that's a fairly complicated topic, we've had discussions on this in the past.

but IMHO, what has happened in Western society and you are a very good example, is that you now have these wailers who decry the fact that one of the things that makes a woman "attractive" is her sexuality.

well - if you have a serious issue with this, please go complain to God, or Gaia, or whatever deity or non deity you believe or not believe in.
or go cry at Darwin's grave.

what I have noticed is that in almost every country outside of the US, North America, and Britain.... most women are reared to recognize this, and use it to their advantage. And some quite like it having this advantage and relish using it and enjoying it (they don't much care for this after menapause once their "power" is gone, but in the younger days.. oooh lah lah"

one of the things you HAVE to give France tremendous credit for is the way their women are modern, intelligent, goal and career oriented, yet very aware and PROUD of their femininity and yes.. sexuality!

I've seen this many a times in Latin America, and I think it exists to an extent in Korea as well (though that's an entirely different nut to crack)

this is also one of the reasons there tends to be such a vast difference in Quebecois Canadians vs the English speaking ones and why such vast quantities of men love French Canadian women while showing much less interest in their English speaking counterparts.

[Thewhiteyalbum]

I worked on the phones for an agency and we had to call the guys back to check the number was 'safe'. 80% of the time the guys (always 'John' or 'Matt' for some reason) would let me ring through and it would come to a message like this:

"Hi this is Peter and Janet we can't come to the phone right now.."

Always made me feel really sad. Especially when you would hear the kids in the background.

Some of the girls were completely money obsessed, some were trapped by forces unknown to me, and some were paying their way through university.

My friend made and blew $80,000 in a year.

And every girl told the more powerful the man (politician, judge etc) the more debauched and disgusting were the things they requested.

It did make feel differently about gender relationships, thats for sure.

[aboxofchocolates]

There's a few asses I'd launch a thousand ships for if only I had a thousand ships to launch.

I'm with you on the agree to disagree part, we are just talking in circles here.

Two possible solutions:

International get your ho off day, where everyone in the world is required to recognize the hard work and effort put in by prostitutes and repay them with at least one orgasm.

The ugly person hot person rotation, where for every hot person you sleep with you are required to sleep with an ugly person. Given there are far more ugly people in the world the hot people will be awfully busy, but those are the sacrifices you have to make.

Thewhiteyalbum- sounds messed up. I wonder if the more powerful you are the more entitled you feel to use others how you want. At least people with less power know what life's like for a laborer.