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tfunk



Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:02 am    Post subject: Amazon announces Kindle 2 Reply with quote

http://www.amazon.com (at the time of posting)

20% faster page turns, looks nicer, has a 25% improved battery life and an increased storage capacity. $359.00
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Korean dictionary reads txt files fine.

The first Kindle was crap.

It sounds like a nice idea, but that price is unreal.
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tfunk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
My Korean dictionary reads txt files fine.

The first Kindle was crap.

It sounds like a nice idea, but that price is unreal.


Have you used the Kindle?
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Temporary



Joined: 13 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah your dictionary reads txt files whooped dee fucking doo.


Kindle does a lot more then that plus it has text to speach which is cool addition.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price it at $100 and e-books at $5 and I'll show some interest. Until then, I'll stick with real books.

Highly overpriced. It probably costs them $14 to make.
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tfunk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:


Highly overpriced. It probably costs them $14 to make.


You're familiar with the hardware production costs per unit needed to create e-ink technology? Can you explain why companies in Korea, China, Japan, America have yet to produce an e-reader that costs less than $200 in a potentially huge market that is looking for a cost advantage?
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ChinaBoy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the stupid e-ink which is causing the problem. Why do I need a picture and special fonts? They should make a CHEAP one first to get people interested in reading on some kind of thing like this, and THEN introduce more expensive, higher quality models that some people will switch to.

People look at it, might be interested, see the price, and reject it.
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swigs



Joined: 20 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Kindle is meant for the avid reader. And since most avid readers are educated, most avid readers place a great importance on reading. And would probably have the money for something like this. (Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Oprah, etc)Smile But I don't think the price is too high for the technology. If you look at the specs its actually pretty advanced in subtle ways.


I'm not an avid reader, but I do read a bit. Reading on the Kindle I am sure would be much easier on the eye than a regular LCD screen. I have a program for my Ipod where I can download for free thousands of public domain books (Stanza), including all the classics, like 1984. And although that program is great, and you can change the back ground to off color whites, brightness, and font size to your own preference, I can still see how the Kindle would be a nicer read, as it would be easier on the eye..

Once more and more people buy it, and production costs come down, expect a 200 and under version with in 6 years.
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tfunk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
It's the stupid e-ink which is causing the problem. Why do I need a picture and special fonts? They should make a CHEAP one first to get people interested in reading on some kind of thing like this, and THEN introduce more expensive, higher quality models that some people will switch to.

People look at it, might be interested, see the price, and reject it.


Make a cheap one! Good idea, you should phone their creative department they probably haven't thought of that Rolling Eyes

The point of an e-ink reader is to display crystal clear text that is perfect in resolution. E-ink is the distinguishing technology behind 'e-ink readers'. If you want something to display digitized text, then buy a PDA etc.
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ChinaBoy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I don't know any lawyers who read. (I went to law school)
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Thunndarr



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are alternatives to Sony and Amazon.

If you are dead set on e-ink, you might try this:

http://www.nuutbook.com/

I have no idea how well it works.

I use an ipod Touch and it's been good enough for me to read a hundred books in the past year or so since I got it. (No, it's not e-ink, yes, the battery life isn't as good. It lasts around 10-14 hours on a charge when reading, which is more than plenty for 99% of the situations I find myself in.)
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Rusty Shackleford



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use my Ipod Touch quite a bit. I have a big pile of real books at the moment though. Never read e-ink before but the best e-reader I have ever used was a PSP. The screen on that was beautiful.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tfunk wrote:
bassexpander wrote:


Highly overpriced. It probably costs them $14 to make.


You're familiar with the hardware production costs per unit needed to create e-ink technology? Can you explain why companies in Korea, China, Japan, America have yet to produce an e-reader that costs less than $200 in a potentially huge market that is looking for a cost advantage?


To cherry-pick the early adopters and make a higher profit.

"E-Ink Technology" is nothing special. An LCD and a chip with a little run-of-the-mill encryption. *yawn*

If it made me dinner, I'd be impressed.
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tatertot



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
tfunk wrote:
bassexpander wrote:


Highly overpriced. It probably costs them $14 to make.


You're familiar with the hardware production costs per unit needed to create e-ink technology? Can you explain why companies in Korea, China, Japan, America have yet to produce an e-reader that costs less than $200 in a potentially huge market that is looking for a cost advantage?


To cherry-pick the early adopters and make a higher profit.

"E-Ink Technology" is nothing special. An LCD and a chip with a little run-of-the-mill encryption. *yawn*

If it made me dinner, I'd be impressed.


Actually, E-ink is NOT LCD, and that's why it's so expensive. Since when have LCDs been able to maintain an image with no power? Can you see what's on an LCD with no backlight? This is completely different technology.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So why not make an e-reader that runs on batteries and a basic LCD? Answer: Because it's all about raping the early-adopters for profits, and controlling e-books with lawsuits and patents.

I bet they won't allow a company to make their own basic/cheap option.

Overpriced. Highly overpriced.
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