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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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ummm NO you actually believe we evolved from monkeys!
go ahead and believe that! you want to believe we evolved from primates, monkeys, apes, all share a common species etc.. you do that!! ! its a free world! I'll be here waiting for you to prove it and demonstrate it in a lab! run along now johnny! put your coat on! put your eye to the telescope and let me know when you got something that sticks!
the worlds been waiting for a scientific genius like you...
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First of all..Jonny..interesting you know my name. In my part of Ireland it is more common to sat jonno though.
Monkeys and apes do share a common ancestor. That does not mean we evolved from them, no more than they evolved from us. The ancestor is no more a monkey than a human.
Do you understand this?
I'll address any further points when you have shown you understand the above bolded point. I'm not asking you to agree, but I'm asking you to read the above sentence and understand it's meaning. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| How does biology explain consciousness? |
Scientists probably can't.
Assuming that they can't, what's your point?
That we should all abandon science and resort to religion the minute we find a question that science can't answer?
Shall we assume that scientists will never know anything that they don't know now?
Sorry, but I have lived long enough to witness the progress of science.
I remember the day when there were no CD players, video cameras, cell phones, or personal computers.
If you're advancing the God of the Gaps argument, then you are presenting nothing new.
The ancient people didn't know that the sun was a mass of hydrogen and helium, so they invented a sun god.
Nor did they know what caused thunder, so they invented a thunder god.The Europeans didn't know what was causing Black Death, so it must have been God punishing them for their sins.
Scientists don't have all the answers and they don't pretend to.
They admit they don't know everything, so they try to learn more.
Religious leaders don't have all the answers but they pretend to.
They don't admit they don't know everything, so they make no effort to learn more.
Give me science any day.
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| evolution remains a theory! |
That's better than what I was taught in Sunday School.
What I was taught in Sunday School was just a myth.
That's better than what Rteacher has given us.
What Rteacher has given us is just a myth.
If you have anything better, I would like to hear it.
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| and you actually believe this 100%??? |
The word "believe" is in the vocabulary of Creationists, not Evolutionists.
At least I have never heard an Evolutionist use that word.
Every Evolutionist I've ever known merely acknowledged that current evidence is in favor of Evolution but was willing to adapt if a better explanation ever comes along.
If anyone on this thread ever said he was 100% sure of Evolution, I missed it and I would like for you to point it out for me. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
I'll choose science over religion any day. |
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They're not mutually exclusive. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
I'll choose science over religion any day. |
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They're not mutually exclusive. |
Technically no, but generally yes. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:03 am Post subject: |
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there is no opening presents the day before xmas!!
guess what you like!! but when death comes , then you will all know if there is a round 2 or not!
until then all we have is guessing! |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:15 am Post subject: |
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I made it about five minutes into it when Thompson and Cremo start going off. I almost didn't make it past Charleton Heston's intro talking about Dinosaur and Man's footprints being found side by side. This film is quite obviously meant to be entertainment and little more.
Here's Talk Origin's far more enlightening response to it:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom.html
I particularly like this tidbit on one of the individual responses:
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The Mysterious Origins of Man states that the curator of the Klerksdorp Museum, Rolfe Marx noted that these spheres looked man-made although they came from a period in the history of the Earth when no intelligent life existed. According to The Mysterious Origins of Man, Rolfe Max stated:
They are nothing like I have seen before.
Fortunately in Forbidden Archeology by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson, some additional information is given. First, it states:
Over the past several decades, South African miners have found hundreds of metallic spheres, at least one of which has three parallel grooves running around its equator. The spheres are of two types--"one of solid bluish metal with white flecks, and another which is a hollow ball filled with a white spongy center" (Jimison 1982).
It is important to note at this time, that (Jimison 1982) is:
Jimison, S. (1982) Scientists baffled by space spheres. Weekly World News, July 27. |
(gonna pull an ITWG now)
Weekly World News!!!!!
Wahahahhahahaa!!!
This is a film, backed by a book citing the Weekly World News as reference.
Anyone not familiar with the wonder that is the Weekly World News can check it out here:
http://weeklyworldnews.com/ |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| It's not that suprising. I'd bet about half of all people wouldn't understand a lot of basic science and maths. If any of that conflicted with closely held religious beliefs then it's the science people like to ditch. Until or unless it gives them some nice toy or saves their lives. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Not only do we have to assume that there IS a God in order to be sure on Pascal's Wager, but since we don't know which religion God endorses, we will have to comply with all of them.
We will have to abstain from celebrating birthdays, including Christmas, in case the Jehovah's Witnesses are right.
We will have to abstain from going to the doctor's office in case the Christian Scientists are right.
We will have to abstain from any instrumental music in case the Moslems are right.We will have to abstain from any political activity in case the Baha'is are right.
We will have to abstain from sex, marital or otherwise, in case the Shakers were right.
The restrictions on our diet will be endless.
We will have to abstain from coffee and tea in case the Mormons are right.
We will have to observe kosher in case the Jews are right.
But here, we run into a contradiction: we will have to eat fish on Friday in case the Catholics are right, but at the same time, we will have to abstain from eating any meat in case Rteacher & Co. are right. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| JMO wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| tomato wrote: |
I'll choose science over religion any day. |
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They're not mutually exclusive. |
Technically no, but generally yes. |
I believe they are, at least currently. It's a question of orientation. For the evolutionist man is natural, an animal. His spirituality is reducible to his biology. But from the true religious perspective man is not a part of nature, he is transcendent. Spirit assumes first position.
Here is a very good author discussing some relevant points on the "animal ideal":
The defining and spread of Darwinism and evolution were already barometric indicators of this inner attitude. But apart from the domains of theories and science, in the field of ordinary modern life, it has manifested in terms of behaviour, giving rise to what has been called the "animal ideal", especially referring to North America, where it was first realized.
The term applies to that ideal of biological well-being, comfort, optimistic euphoria emphasizing everything that is sheer health, youth, physical vigour, security, and material success, primitive satisfaction of hunger and sexual desire, athletic life, and so forth, whose counterpart is the atrophy of every superior form of sensibility and interest. [...] The kind of man who is thus elevated to the summit of modern civilization is evidently one who has developed only the aspects through which he belongs to an animal species.
I've included that because I thought Kuros specifically might appreciate it. Notice that the "inner attitude" of animality is the cause of Darwinism, and not vise versa.
There is also the matter of epistemology. The so-called 'scientific method' is obviously not of recent creation. What is recent is the arrogance with which scientists assert the worthlessness of revealed or intuitive knowledge (gnosis). In a more reasonable setting these two types of knowledge would be welded; however, today they aren't. That's why I say that currently they are in contest. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| Well said Koveras. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:21 am Post subject: |
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63% - Reject Darwin's Theory of Evolution
In the 150 years since he published his groundbreaking On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, and the 200 years since the date of his birth celebrated this week, Charles Darwin has failed to convince the majority of Americans of the validity of his theories; an August 2006 survey by the Pew Research Center�s Forum on Religion & Public Life and the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, found that 63% of Americans say they believe that humans and other animals have either always existed in their present form or have evolved over time under the guidance of a supreme being while only 26% say that life evolved solely through processes such as natural selection. A similar Pew Research Center poll, released in August 2005, found that 64% of Americans support teaching creationism alongside evolution in the classroom. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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What's the major premise of your argument?
That the majority is always right?
It used to be believed that the sun revolved around the earth.
Today, it is commonly believed that the earth revolves around the sun.
According to your logic, that means that at some point in time, the sun stopped revolving around the earth and the earth started revolving around the sun.
That must have created quite a jolt. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?
was never sure about that.. |
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BreakfastInBed
Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
I'll choose science over religion any day. |
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They're not mutually exclusive. |
Absolutely correct. It's a false dichotomy people on both sides insist on making. That's not to say either has a part in the other, rather that they can both exist harmoniously within the same person without contradiction. |
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