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aznguy
Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: possibility of getting canned before even leaving.... |
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hey, i just got a somewhat disturbing message from my recruiter today stating that i would be moved to teaching another age group because lack of students in the other age group. my concern is, would they let me go before even getting there because lack of enrollment. i'm just concerned, given the state of the world economy, would they just drop me.
its just that i've invested a lot of time and money to get the job and visa. now with this information, i'm just really anxious about my job security. i have been reading a lot of post stating the drop off of students, is anybody else experiencing this or am i just worrying too much. |
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sarbonn

Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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It's always something to keep in mind, so don't dismiss any other possibilities of future employment. I turned down a college job back in the states because I was waiting for my Korea job to finally happen. STUPID THING, and I have been kicking myself ever since. The economy is bad, but that doesn't mean every school is suffering. But a lot are. My school generally does pretty well because it's a niche school, but I'm starting to see some of the obvious signs of possible disaster down the road, so don't put all of your eggs in one basket if you don't have to.
Hopefully, your situation will go smoothly, but make sure you're looking out for yourself as well because if things do fall through, no one else will be. |
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oldtactics

Joined: 18 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:22 am Post subject: |
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If you work in a hagwon, you won't really have much job security anyway, but the fact that your boss+recruiter went out of their way to get in touch with you about the change seems to me like a good sign that at least they're thinking about you. Hope everything works out! |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Uh, actually it could be a bad sign if the hagwon is failing.
OP, I'm just curious. Did you tell everyone "No kindy" and now they're telling you that you have to teach kindy because nothing else is available?
If that's the case, you're being BSed. They wanted you to teach kindy all along.  |
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aznguy
Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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wylies99 wrote: |
Uh, actually it could be a bad sign if the hagwon is failing.
OP, I'm just curious. Did you tell everyone "No kindy" and now they're telling you that you have to teach kindy because nothing else is available?
If that's the case, you're being BSed. They wanted you to teach kindy all along.  |
no, that wasn't the case, thank god, i can't be around kids that young for extended periods of time. i got moved from middle to elementary because of low enrollment. actually, the recruiter was quite surprised himself to the news. apparently, the head office told him yesterday, then he contacted me.
my recruiter seems like a trustworthy guy, and the company is one of the main hagwons. i just can't shake the feeling that i'm going to get the axe before i even leave Canada. i hate George Bush even more for the entire financial mess he put this world into. I got to blame someone  |
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hockeyguy109
Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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azn- I feel your pain. Of course there's a chance that it won't work out, but hell, we gotta play the game!
I was all set to work in a hagwon, thought I was going to leave in a week or two, and all of a sudden my recruiter called me up and said "the school is under investigation by the government and cannot hire anyone". Who knows what the real reason was, but I just went with the punches. Got a job at a public school instead.
So chin up and stay positive! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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It's a good idea to bring extra copies of all your documents to have on hand should you need to find a new job once you get here. |
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aznguy
Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for the replys, i guess i'll try to tough it out and roll with punches. i just hate being knocked around, especially when i didn't do anything to deserve, but i should know better, it is korea.
i just have one question, if i do get let go could i use the visa that was issued a few days ago for another job without going through all the hoops? |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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aznguy wrote: |
i just have one question, if i do get let go could i use the visa that was issued a few days ago for another job without going through all the hoops? |
No!... and yes... sort of... maybe... it depends. Clear?
The biggest problem with K-land is the employer sponsors your E-2 visa and thus 'owns' you for the one-year period of sojourn. Once the visa is issued you cannot work for anyone else without the original sponsor's permission. It's complicated, but I'll try an keep this as simple as possible. If you are 'fired' before you even leave your home country, you have a couple of choices:
1. Do not use the visa and let it expire (90 days from date of issue). You can use the 90 days to find another job and assemble all your documents to apply for another visa when your current visa expires.
2. You could use the visa to enter K-land and start your one-year period of sojourn. Immediately get your medical done and apply for your Alien Registration Card (ARC), find another job, go to your current sponsor and get a Letter of Release (LoR). With the LoR, a new contract, your ARC, an application (and God knows what other documents Immigration will want) i.e. agreement of both employers, you can go to Immigration and have sponsorship of the visa transfered to the new employer. How, or if you negotiate reimbursement of your airfare to K-land with the new employer is up to you. This option is risky and requires the co-operation of your current sponsor as well as an outlay of money on your part (airfare and housing for a couple of weeks) until you start your new contract; and comes with no guarantees.
The fact of the matter is - if you are in K-land on an E-2 visa, there is NO job security. All E-2 visa holders exist here strictly on the whims of their employers. The closest one can get to actual job security is working in public school. |
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aznguy
Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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i guess, thank you for the bleak assessment of my situation cruisemonkey, i feel even more blue.
i was wondering, if i ask my recruiter for a letter of release without entering K-land, if i do get canned, would that work to get another job? |
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browneyedgirl

Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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aznguy wrote: |
Bush even more for the entire financial mess he put this world into. I got to blame someone  |
Bush caused the collapse of the $8 trillion bubble in the US housing market by forcing people tp buy houses they didn't need in the late '90s. Yup, I heard he held a gun to some people's heads and forced them into bad mortgages too. No banks or lenders were at fault, just Bush.
I got a bad grade once in college, it was Bush's fault too. Not mine. Who cares that I put the wrong answer? I'm sure he something to do with it. |
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aznguy
Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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browneyedgirl wrote: |
aznguy wrote: |
Bush even more for the entire financial mess he put this world into. I got to blame someone  |
Bush caused the collapse of the $8 trillion bubble in the US housing market by forcing people tp buy houses they didn't need in the late '90s. Yup, I heard he held a gun to some people's heads and forced them into bad mortgages too. No banks or lenders were at fault, just Bush.
I got a bad grade once in college, it was Bush's fault too. Not mine. Who cares that I put the wrong answer? I'm sure he something to do with it. |
just kidding bud, i am in a place where i don't want to be due to the economy. plus, blaming bush for everything just seems right somehow.
don't worry, i usually get my news from pbs, nightly news with jim lehrer. so i know that it actually began with jimmy carter and basically every president had a hand in the housing bubble, especially clinton, chris dodd and barney frank. the housing bubble did accelerate under bush, so since he was the last one holding the bag then he'll get most of the blame from the uninformed or people who are just joking.  |
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