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Hater Depot
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 Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: Saud king appoints first woman minister |
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/02/15/saudi.female.minister/index.html
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The appointment of a woman to Saudi Arabia's influential council of ministers is a "first step" for women's rights in the country, but it's unclear if she will have any real power, an outspoken advocate said Sunday.
Saudi King Abdullah has appointed a woman to his council of ministers for the first time.
"It is something really great, and we are very proud of our king that he took this decision," said Wajeha al-Huwaider, a prominent Saudi activist and writer. "And I think it's going to be the first step toward the reform that he promised."
King Abdullah on Saturday appointed Norah al-Faiz to serve as the newly created deputy minister for women's education as part of a major Cabinet reshuffling. It is the first time a woman has been appointed to the council. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Let's hope she's not just for show.
There does seem to be a quiet revolution going on in Saudi Arabia, behind the scenes. I hope it eventually produces tangible progress. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, yes. Big changes indeed.
My favorite economist, Andy Xie, is prone to making fun of western people for being extra-super-duper naive. We'll fall for any feel good platitude.
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Last updated at 11:01 AM on 11th February 2009
Saudi judge sentences pregnant gang-rape victim to 100 lashes for committing adultery
A Saudi judge has ordered a woman should be jailed for a year and receive 100 lashes after she was gang-raped, it was claimed last night.
The 23-year-old woman, who became pregnant after her ordeal, was reportedly assaulted after accepting a lift from a man.
He took her to a house to the east of the city of Jeddah where she was attacked by him and four of his friends throughout the night.
She later discovered she was pregnant and made a desperate attempt to get an abortion at the King Fahd Hospital for Armed Forces.
According to the Saudi Gazette, she eventually 'confessed' to having 'forced intercourse' with her attackers and was brought before a judge at the District Court in Jeddah.
He ruled she had committed adultery - despite not even being married - and handed down a year's prison sentence, which she will serve in a prison just outside the city.
She is still pregnant and will be flogged once she has had the child.
The Saudi Arabian legal system practices a strict form of medieval law. Women have very few rights and are not even allowed to drive.
They are also banned from going out in public in the company of men other than male relatives.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1141267/Saudi-judge-sentences-pregnant-gang-rape-victim-100-lashes-committing-adultery.html
Shit, next they'll be burning bras outside of their unis! Maybe they'll boycott apartheid Israel. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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You think any of this happens overnight? Why are you sneering?
It's more than 200 years since Mary Wollstonecroft wrote the Vindication of the Rights of Woman and women in the West have only recently become 'equal' to men (and some believe we still have some way to go).
With the Wahhabis tight control of their society, any change is going to come very slowly. I would feel heartened by any progress, however small. It's my understanding that there is a quiet movement going on and I wish it all the success in the world. They're not going to have an easy ride. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I love how she still can't drive to work, or get a ride to work with a male who's not a relative.
Oh well, at least Saddam can't repress his people any more. Good the the Yanks and Brits liberated all the women there. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Oh well, at least Saddam can't repress his people any more. Good the the Yanks and Brits liberated all the women there. |
Objection. Relevance. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I love how she still can't drive to work, or get a ride to work with a male who's not a relative.
Oh well, at least Saddam can't repress his people any more. Good the the Yanks and Brits liberated all the women there. |
Actually, Saddam (despicable though he was) presided over a secular society in which women had better rights than most others in the muslim world. In fact, things have gone backwards since the occupation as backward religious groups have come to prominence and stifled the freedom of women. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| You think any of this happens overnight? Why are you sneering? |
I sneer at apologists. On the one hand, we have a woman jailed for being gang-raped and on the other a woman appointed to a council of ministers. Which is meaningful, and which is meaningless?
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| They're not going to have an easy ride. |
Well, for once we can agree.
But more importantly for occidentals, it is Europeans and Brits who won't have the easy ride. A ten year or so period of economic decline and stagnation ought to help shore up my argument. [/quote] |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I love how she still can't drive to work, or get a ride to work with a male who's not a relative.
Oh well, at least Saddam can't repress his people any more. Good the the Yanks and Brits liberated all the women there. |
Actually, Saddam (despicable though he was) presided over a secular society in which women had better rights than most others in the muslim world. In fact, things have gone backwards since the occupation as backward religious groups have come to prominence and stifled the freedom of women. |
Big Bird,
Please focus your apologism on Saudi Arabia, which is the topic of this thread. You know. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I love how she still can't drive to work, or get a ride to work with a male who's not a relative.
Oh well, at least Saddam can't repress his people any more. Good the the Yanks and Brits liberated all the women there. |
Actually, Saddam (despicable though he was) presided over a secular society in which women had better rights than most others in the muslim world. In fact, things have gone backwards since the occupation as backward religious groups have come to prominence and stifled the freedom of women. |
Um, that was rather my point (the one the Kuros failed to see). |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
Let's hope she's not just for show.
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Hope all you want Big Bird, but that's what she is.
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| There does seem to be a quiet revolution going on in Saudi Arabia, behind the scenes. I hope it eventually produces tangible progress. |
Uh what? What else gives you this idea? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I love how she still can't drive to work, or get a ride to work with a male who's not a relative.
Oh well, at least Saddam can't repress his people any more. Good the the Yanks and Brits liberated all the women there. |
Actually, Saddam (despicable though he was) presided over a secular society in which women had better rights than most others in the muslim world. In fact, things have gone backwards since the occupation as backward religious groups have come to prominence and stifled the freedom of women. |
Um, that was rather my point (the one the Kuros failed to see). |
Your point was that the repression of women in Saudi Arabia is George W. Bush's fault?
Objection. Asinine. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| In fact, things have gone backwards since the occupation as backward religious groups have come to prominence and stifled the freedom of women. |
And yet still you fail to see the link between Islam (a benign social force according to yourself) and the status of women, gays, and tolerance for minorities etc. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh but Verne, don't you know about the diversity in islam!! Sure, the obedients kill or threaten to kill the diversity, but it makes for good conversation. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I love how she still can't drive to work, or get a ride to work with a male who's not a relative.
Oh well, at least Saddam can't repress his people any more. Good the the Yanks and Brits liberated all the women there. |
Actually, Saddam (despicable though he was) presided over a secular society in which women had better rights than most others in the muslim world. In fact, things have gone backwards since the occupation as backward religious groups have come to prominence and stifled the freedom of women. |
Um, that was rather my point (the one the Kuros failed to see). |
Your point was that the repression of women in Saudi Arabia is George W. Bush's fault?
Objection. Asinine. |
My point is that when it comes to improving the rights of 50% of people he tried to re-colonise the wrong country. |
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