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What happened to the ATEK sticky?
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TheChickenLover



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: The Chicken Coop

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: What happened to the ATEK sticky? Reply with quote

It's been removed. Was it moved to another section or simply deleted?

Chicken
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livinginkunsan



Joined: 02 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think since the truth was coming out they decided to delete it.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to know as well. Did ATEK request its removal? Or was it a decision made by Dave's?
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TheChickenLover



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch! Anyways, I will provide an update on my current status.

I've nearly completed my complaint but with an added twist. I will also be naming Benjamin Wagner on the complaint as well since he has been in direct contact + consultation with ATEK on this matter. I am not privy to the exact relationship between himself and ATEK, but if ATEK is acting on his advice and he is acting on behalf of their interests, then his report is not his alone, but based on the political agenda of ATEK. I'm sure Benjamin Wagner knows the legal view "Sue everyone and let the courts figure it out".

Since there is an unusually large amount of coverage linking him to ATEK, I've decided to attach his name to the complaint as well. I also know that he himself is not on an F-5 visa, and hence could be in violation of his visa since his report is politically motivated by ATEK and he himself has allowed ATEK to have a copy of his report while being kept shielded from the public. This demonstrates a very direct rather than passing link of Benjamin Wagner and ATEK.

To those who have msg'd me privately, I will be finishing the report tomorrow and will provide you all a copy of my complaint which will go into the ministry mail this Wednesday.

I apologize for the delay, but I wanted to think more this past week-end after a busy Thur/Fri last week that kept me from writing.

I will keep you all posted.

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livinginkunsan



Joined: 02 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
I would like to know as well. Did ATEK request its removal? Or was it a decision made by Dave's?


If I had a guess, ATEK asked for its removal. There were some good points made this weekend and some things uncovered that would show ATEK in a negative light.
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Slaps



Joined: 22 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mods, can we have an answer as to why the thread was deleted?

I feel that the issue was pertinent here and the thread was for the greater good of teachers by explaining an issue that could have effects for all teachers, be it negatively or positively.
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T-J



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it Dave's policy to remove any thread at the request of its initiator, no questions asked?

If that is the case, so be it. I still don't know the reason it was deleted, but with the absence of any other evidence, I'm left to assume at this point that that is what happened.

I am trying to reserve judgment at this point, time will tell. Seems to be the catch phrase with all things ATEK.
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sobriquet



Joined: 16 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What came to light this weekend?
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howie2424



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to know as well mods.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sobriquet wrote:
What came to light this weekend?


Nothing really new, the last post was at 3pm yesterday. Nothing new as of 8:30 this morning. Went back to check it at 10:30 and it was gone.
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Jeff's Cigarettes



Joined: 27 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm posting this for a friend who can't post himself because for some reason he can't get registered here. Nice one Dave.

Quote:
"a complaint has been filed with and accepted by the NHRCK against ATEK last week. those who are against ATEk you can get more information at
[email protected]"


Chicken, it's the same guy who asked me to PM you his email.
He seems pretty serious about all this.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:
I'm posting this for a friend who can't post himself because for some reason he can't get registered here. Nice one Dave.

Quote:
"a complaint has been filed with and accepted by the NHRCK against ATEK last week. those who are against ATEk you can get more information at
[email protected]"


Chicken, it's the same guy who asked me to PM you his email.
He seems pretty serious about all this.


Is ATEK flat-lining?
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BrianInSuwon



Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put a lot of time in writing my posts. I was forced to add them to the sticky thread because my thread on the topic was locked and a mod posted that any new threads would be deleted. I.E. add it to the sticky or don't post about ATEK.

Censorship. Wow. Its like looking at an updated history book and seeing all references to a past event have been deleted and all old history books have been burned.

I just checked my post history and all record of those posts are gone so I can't even copy and paste. I have no record of anything. I just hope that those who were actively posting on the sticky don't start disappearing one by one.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was probably pulled b/c of all the attacks made and the same posts being made by the same people over and over even when they've been responded to and answered.

I'm curious what the big revelations were that came to light? The only stuff I saw was the same stuff that was on page 1 except more vicious and mean-spirited.
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TheChickenLover



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BrianInSuwon wrote:
I put a lot of time in writing my posts. I was forced to add them to the sticky thread because my thread on the topic was locked and a mod posted that any new threads would be deleted. I.E. add it to the sticky or don't post about ATEK.

Censorship. Wow. Its like looking at an updated history book and seeing all references to a past event have been deleted and all old history books have been burned.

I just checked my post history and all record of those posts are gone so I can't even copy and paste. I have no record of anything. I just hope that those who were actively posting on the sticky don't start disappearing one by one.



There isn't much worse than you an do to an online community that when people write extensive replies that are thought out, another person deletes everything for one reason or another. It means that ultimately, whether ATEK wanted this sticky removed, or a mod felt that it was too offensive (which wasn't bad at all btw) that our opinions here that are what keep new users coming here and potential employers putting new job ads on are severely curtailed.

A lot of you spent quite a bit of time to post what you did. It's been removed as if your time and concerns were nothing important. Is that was ATEK and Dave's is about? If ATEK did have this pulled (as I suspect it has) it's because it realized that the negative publicity of this threat spreading to other boards can curtail its goals and hence, remove the thread, the greater chance of newcomers coming to Korea will be willing to pay 50,000 on to join ATEK. In short, ATEK to me is not an association, it's more like a privately run business that's pretending to do something good while enhancing itself at the expense of free expression and discussion.

I'm truly disgusted at this. And on that note, more than ever determined to make my complaint stick.

Chicken
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