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What happened to the ATEK sticky?
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howie2424



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was probably pulled b/c of all the attacks made and the same posts being made by the same people over and over even when they've been responded to and answered.


I thought the thread was, relatively speaking, pretty civil and doubt it was pulled for that reason. Perhaps a mod will explain it once the get a moment.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kprrok wrote:
It was probably pulled b/c of all the attacks made and the same posts being made by the same people over and over even when they've been responded to and answered.

I'm curious what the big revelations were that came to light? The only stuff I saw was the same stuff that was on page 1 except more vicious and mean-spirited.


Vicious and mean-spirited?

I thought it was one of the more if not most respectful debates on Dave's. Most posters of dissenting opinion took the time to recognize and applaud the effort taken by Tony and ATEK and stuck to the issues.

The only poster that got personal in their attacks as far as I can remember was in fact a supporter of ATEK that insinuated that "most" later retracted to "some" F-2 visa holders only got married to their Korean spouse for the visa status.

If that was what you were referring to as vicious and mean-spirited then I guess you are right.

I think the thread was pulled because ATEK requested it to be. I think they have gone into bunker mode.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, perhaps "attacks" was too strong a word.

My general impression of the thread was that while the individual posts were very civil, the overall mood of the thread was not so friendly. I think Tony was being very thorough in his responses and maintained a very positive tone. Other posters seemed to be ganging up on him as the people against ATEK seemed to vastly outnumber those who support it.
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Straphanger



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheChickenLover wrote:
There isn't much worse than you an do to an online community that when people write extensive replies that are thought out, another person deletes everything for one reason or another.

o rly?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aeslcafe.com+atek&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
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T-J



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Thanks for that. Still waiting for a response as to why the thread was deleted. PM'd a MOD, but no response yet.

Has anyone heard anything? Or tried to ask Tony directly?
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livinginkunsan



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
^ Thanks for that. Still waiting for a response as to why the thread was deleted. PM'd a MOD, but no response yet.

Has anyone heard anything? Or tried to ask Tony directly?


It appears the "powers that be" want to cool this issue down either on their own accord or by the request of Tony. Interesting how this is playing out for sure.
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T-J



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

livinginkunsan wrote:
T-J wrote:
^ Thanks for that. Still waiting for a response as to why the thread was deleted. PM'd a MOD, but no response yet.

Has anyone heard anything? Or tried to ask Tony directly?


It appears the "powers that be" want to cool this issue down either on their own accord or by the request of Tony. Interesting how this is playing out for sure.


Kind of hard to get the genie back in the bottle. Which is what a lot of people where saying from the start.
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BrianInSuwon



Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The link above, the google search, has no links to the deleted sticky. The search links to additional ATEK threads (that by the way, had all been locked). If a mod has the time to remove a sticky, s/he has the time to make a short announcement of why the sticky was removed. Why just pretend it never existed? I guess (because all we can do is guess when mods make no clear comment ) any new posts about ATEK will not be locked since there is no sticky anymore.
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TheChickenLover



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Straphanger wrote:
TheChickenLover wrote:
There isn't much worse than you an do to an online community that when people write extensive replies that are thought out, another person deletes everything for one reason or another.

o rly?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aeslcafe.com+atek&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=



Dude! You have totally made my day today! I could seriously kiss you!

Chicken


Very Happy
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livinginkunsan



Joined: 02 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheChickenLover wrote:
Straphanger wrote:
TheChickenLover wrote:
There isn't much worse than you an do to an online community that when people write extensive replies that are thought out, another person deletes everything for one reason or another.

o rly?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aeslcafe.com+atek&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=



Dude! You have totally made my day today! I could seriously kiss you!

Chicken Very Happy




You should probably get those all documented quickly, because if there is a way to remove them, I am sure it will be done Smile
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T-J



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if Dave understands the implications of removing a thread with the intent of protecting the poster from pending or imminent legal action has?
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Ruraljuror



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since Chicken has made his intention of pursuing legal action against ATEK VERY clear, this would constitute destroying/obfuscating evidence wouldn't it?

Some of Tony's responses would probably be of use in the case, and deleting them from public record for the sole purpose of protecting him from legal action would seem to be illegal, though I am not a lawyer.

I would guess that Tony may have a friend amongst the mods. Which makes the action of locking all the ATEK threads in the purpose of creating ONE ATEK thread hidden amongst the stickies that get ignored look suspicious as well.

Chicken, you may want to consider naming the mods in your complaint as well, so that we can get to the bottom of this, since no answers are forthcoming.
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pocariboy73



Joined: 23 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony dug APEK so deeply into the hole with dishonesty and answers to questions that were NOT straight up, that himself and APEK stood no chance of recovering. He obviously had the mods delete the thread as it showed how unprofessional and pathetic he was as Campaign Spokesperson. Tony's only hope now is to "bunker-down" for sometime and hope things quiet down. Then come out fresh with a new campaign. Can't wait for that one!

Too bad for Tony and APEK that the F Visa holders are here for the longhaul and won't forget about how they tried to drive a wedge between the foreign teachers at the expense of the F Visa holders. I, for one, did not appreciate their attempt to throw me under the bus in the name of equality and fairness.

My guess is he won't be backon this board for a long time.
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TheChickenLover



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've gone through all of Tony's postings and the threads and both saved all the pages as well as printed them all. If the mods delete the thread, I'll be able to show that it indeed existed.

Alot of what people say can have huge problems in the future. Tony admitted in a threat that he came up with a fake number. That number was published. Was it deleted? Probably will be. Did I record it?

Absolutely!

You can also record changes to web pages as well and changes to details, so when stuff goes missing or 'offline', it's still on record.

Chicken
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buymybook



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruraljuror wrote:
Since Chicken has made his intention of pursuing legal action against ATEK VERY clear, this would constitute destroying/obfuscating evidence wouldn't it?

Some of Tony's responses would probably be of use in the case, and deleting them from public record for the sole purpose of protecting him from legal action would seem to be illegal, though I am not a lawyer.

I would guess that Tony may have a friend amongst the mods. Which makes the action of locking all the ATEK threads in the purpose of creating ONE ATEK thread hidden amongst the stickies that get ignored look suspicious as well.

Chicken, you may want to consider naming the mods in your complaint as well, so that we can get to the bottom of this, since no answers are forthcoming.


Okay, why doesn't the "ChickenLover" put me on the complaint too? I filed a complaint with the HRC of Korea, not much different than sending a letter to them like B. Wagner.

Heck, why doesn't "ChickenLover" put any or all other E-2 Visa holders on his complaint for filing the HRC "petition" against the "perpetrator" Korean Immigration Service?

I will even help "ChickenLover," if he gets together with Kim Young-geun, from the Ministry of Justice, they could move mountains together...

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/02/117_38955.html


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