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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
I wonder why?


Where is my 18+-page thread on whites' being badgered with "racist!" for so long and so thoroughly that they now prefer avoiding African-Americans and African-American subjectmatter whenever they can...?


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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
It's just like a gang of white thugs are ransacking my house

12 Feb 2009 02:36 pm
THe "evidence" that Arnold Kling is racist rests on two quotes. One seems to have originated with Adam Serwer of TAPPED, and I'm frankly shocked that his magazine let it stand, it's such a grievous selective quotation.

Quoth Serwer: "Oh, and in case you didn't know, our president is black so it's not a stimulus bill, it's a "reparations" bill." Oh, that's awful! That must be why he chose to hide the actual quotation from his readers' delicate eyes:

Why is the stimulus bill so filled with non-stimulus while it omits real stimulus measures, such as cutting payroll taxes?

I think the answer is that it is a reparations bill, not a stimulus bill. People who pay income taxes tend to vote Republican. People who live off taxes tend to vote Democratic. To the Democrats, the Bush tax cuts were a heinous evil, comparable to Germany's violation of Belgian neutrality in World War I. Now, they are demanding reparations, with hundreds of billions of dollars to be paid into teachers unions and other members of the coalition that won the election.

Most of the bill makes no sense from a stimulus perspective. But all of it makes sense from a reparations perspective.

I mean, okay, it's not exactly nice to compare a person to the French government, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it racist.

The other heinous quotation:

Barack Obama is destroying my daughter's future. It is like sitting there watching my house ransacked by a gang of thugs.

James Wolcott snarked:

Now if Kling can't comprehend the implication of racial menace encoded in daughter-gang-thugs/home invasion, he's either fatuously clueless--too innocent for this wicked world--or weaselly disingenuous, and a drama queen either way. Did he feel the sanctity of his home was being violated when the costs of the Iraq war shot into outer space? Did he picture marauders smashing cherished mementoes when Hank Paulson introduced TARP? Anytime Obama's name and "thug" are thrown in close proximity, it's a pretty sure bet that the speaker or author intends to fan the anxiety and animosity of those who think Obama's presidency represents black grievance gloved with the iron fist of the state--and out to punish whitey.

Only, it turns out that . . . er. . . the "thugs" quote was referring to Paulson. Kling added that he felt like those thugs had just been replaced with a new gang, which a liveblogger at Heritage trimmed down to the politically punchier version.


This is why it's a bad idea to turn the volume on the racism charges up to 11; if you're wrong, it turns out that you were self-righteously . . . slandering someone.

Oddly enough, no one in the daisy chain except our own Andrew Sullivan has been interested enough in Kling's racism to post a correction when it turned out to be mostly imaginary.


http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/02/its_just_like_a_gang_of_white.php

Kling is a libertarian. We love the "gang of thugs" line and they've been using it for decades.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:

I wonder why?


I wonder why you wonder.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never seen you troll before. I missed the part where Americans are not talking about "race," Kuros. So I, for one, wonder what the Atty-Gen is talking about in his hyperbolic attention-grabbing speech.

Americans talk about it in universities and in academic publications all the time -- part of the pervasive "race, class, and gender" hegemony. I could cite tens of thousands of departments, classes, books, and articles on this if necessary.

Americans talk about it in courtrooms and have done so for decades. Affirmative-Action and Equal Employment Opportunities task-forces and investigations/enforcement units. Never heard of those?

Did I miss the part, moreover, where race was not mentioned in the last presidential campaign in the press and the popular discourse daily?

Did someone silence Al Sharpton, Rev. J. Wright, and a host of others on the left?

What does E. Holder want from us? "Black history month" all year round?

I am sorry but this speech takes a nonsensical position, probably in the name of nothing more noble than a politician's self-promotion...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree that it's ridiculous.

the african american push has been tiring for a while, for essentially the same reasons as some might say the women's lib. is tiring.

on the other hand, no one can deny that racism exists (unless you're part of the white majority) in america. it is one thing to be able to understand it academically but another to actually experience it. i am sure some of us white people have experienced it in korea; i'd wager that it is racism against whites in korea that makes a lot of people on this board angry and not @stupidness@ @backwardness@ etc...

symbols do have meaning though, and the monkey is a racist reference to black people, and if i remember correctly, the nypd officers were white (even had mustaches). was it nypd or lapd? j/k

to me it's similar to the outrage over the muhammed cartoon. when can we stop being so sensitive? point is the paper/editor ok'd it.

i still think race gender and class are important aspects of the discourse and so do people for whom it has had effects on.

my 1/2 cent
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Never seen you troll before. I missed the part where Americans are not talking about "race," Kuros. So I, for one, wonder what the Atty-Gen is talking about in his hyperbolic attention-grabbing speech.

Americans talk about it in universities and in academic publications all the time -- part of the pervasive "race, class, and gender" hegemony. I could cite tens of thousands of departments, classes, books, and articles on this if necessary.


You're off your ass, Gopher.

All I wanted to know was what mises meant by his cryptic comment.

Park it.
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Jeff's Cigarettes



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some popcorn, because when he bitch slaps that liberal pansy ass Mike Wallace, you�ll want to watch it several times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO214IFRW1M
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Cryptic?" It was sarcasm. Surely you read what Mises had posted above his sarcastic, rhetorical question.

In any case, park it yourself. Yours was a smart-assed question.

________

Jeff: M. Freeman is dead on -- and has always been dead on, especially in his role in Glory -- and in line with MLK. All the others prefer to deal with permanent divisiveness. That was not what MLK was about at all.

Freeman represents one of my very few exceptions to "Hollywood should butt out."


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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
"Cryptic?" It was sarcasm. Surely you read what Mises had posted above his sarcastic, rhetorical question.

In any case, park it yourself. Yours was a smart-assed question.


Well its nice that you can detect tone over the internet.

What crawled up your ass and died?

That last one was a smart-assed question, btw.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:
Get some popcorn, because when he bitch slaps that liberal pansy ass Mike Wallace, you�ll want to watch it several times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO214IFRW1M


Morgan Freeman is my f*cking hero.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All right, fine. This issue annoys the hell out of me, given what I see and hear every single bloody day. I apologize.

I am pretty sure I know Mises well enough to call that a sarcastic tone and question -- mostly because his views and mine more or less overlap on this.


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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Sharpton sucks donkey cock. Are you happy?

Actually, I had no clue what mises' comment meant at all, which is why I asked him.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Al Sharpton sucks donkey cock. Are you happy?


Yeah.

And come on, man. Neither of you were exactly "asking a question." I read yours as a subtext attack.

Kuros wrote:
mises wrote:
I wonder why?
I wonder why you wonder.
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote "I wonder why" because I believe the answer is clear. White people don't want to be called racist, and one can be called racist for anything these days, and therefore shy away from these topics. Holder should know this.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
I wrote "I wonder why" because I believe the answer is clear. White people don't want to be called racist, and one can be called racist for anything these days, and therefore shy away from these topics. Holder should know this.


Alright. Now its clear.
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