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Gopher
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 Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:35 am Post subject: Tehran Has Reached Nuclear-Weapons Breakout Capability |
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WASHINGTON -- Iranian scientists have reached "nuclear weapons breakout capability," according to a new report based on findings of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency...
Iran has consistently denied the weapons allegations, calling them "baseless" and "fabricated." |
Either such analyses as this one are simply wrong or Tehran will soon be exposed as lying to the international community on this issue. In the latter scenario, we will all learn the truth when and if Tehran test-detonates a warhead.
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Of course they are developing nuclear weapons.
How soon will they test?
My guess: within 2 1/2 years. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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And if they successfully test one, what changes? Does this spark a nuke race in the region?
I am uncomfortable with any state having nukes. We have to get non-proliferation working and a meaningful reduction in existing warheads. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| ...what changes? Does this spark a nuke race in the region? |
I imagine that is the estimate, yes. I also would imagine an increasingly likely Israeli first strike against Iran. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| ...what changes? Does this spark a nuke race in the region? |
I imagine that is the estimate, yes. I also would imagine an increasingly likely Israeli first strike against Iran. |
You mean a strike to stop the program or a "first strike" as in a nuke strike? Israel is a pretty small place.. It wouldn't take much to wipe the zionist entity from the map. |
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chickenpie
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| ...what changes? Does this spark a nuke race in the region? |
I imagine that is the estimate, yes. I also would imagine an increasingly likely Israeli first strike against Iran. |
If that happened I'm sure the Arabs and Persians living in the region would never forget.
Right now Israel is in trouble, the US is not the cash cow it once was, let democracy sweep the Arab world. Bye bye Israel. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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This is not as bad as the headline makes it appear.
They have a mass aggregate of low-enriched uranium. What they'd need for a fleet of these weapons would be high-enriched uranium, and the technique to get that uranium highly enriched.
But to go back to the right-wing fear-mongering of which I am so fond: the truly scary thing about Iran is they already have a delivery system, something Saddam never had. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| They are going to hold the world hostage for... one million dollars! |
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chickenpie
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:30 am Post subject: |
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I would love to see true democracy in the M.E. I'm sure all the people there with their vote would love to accept israel  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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I would love to see true democracy in the M.E. I'm sure all the people there with their vote would love to accept israel |
I would love to see true liberal democracy in the mideast too. Cause right now Bathsts, Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists are fascist bigots who can't be trusted to protect their minoirites of step down. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Chickenpie: sneer all you like. This indeed seems the left's favored debate tactic: an unrelenting rhetorical attack against Israel, punctuated by no small amount of bitter sneering, in the futile hope that this might change the actual situation on the ground, in the real world.
And the actual situation on the ground and in the real world remains this: Israel can destroy any enemy or combination of enemies any of its Middle-Eastern neighbors may hurl against it. This includes Iran. And Tel Aviv has no problems acting preemptively. Just ask, for example, the Iraqis.
I do not believe the Israelis have changed their policy on this since 1981.
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rusty1983
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I would love to see true democracy in the M.E. I'm sure all the people there with their vote would love to accept israel |
Yes we'll have less of your sneering, and also less of your sarcasm to the above with the one million dollars comment. Please, there are some serious people operating here. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting story breaking...Perhaps Leslie's Dr. Evil was not that far off the mark after all...
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LONDON -- Iran offered to stop attacking coalition troops in Iraq nearly four years ago in an attempt to get the West to accept Tehran's nuclear program, a British diplomat told the BBC in an interview aired Saturday.
"The Iranians wanted to be able to strike a deal whereby they stopped killing our forces in Iraq in return for them being allowed to carry on with their nuclear program -- 'We stop killing you in Iraq, stop undermining the political process there, you allow us to carry on with our nuclear program without let or hindrance," said John Sawers, now the British ambassador to the United Nations, in the documentary, "Iran and the West: Nuclear Confrontation..." |
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chickenpie
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
I would love to see true democracy in the M.E. I'm sure all the people there with their vote would love to accept israel |
Yes we'll have less of your sneering, and also less of your sarcasm to the above with the one million dollars comment. Please, there are some serious people operating here. |
Seems more like about 12 people circle jerking each other. |
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