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DJTwoTone
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: Yangsan - I'm not sure where it is either
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| cruisemonkey wrote: |
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| The issue ATEK should be fighting for is separating work visas from jobs, not all of this other nonsense. |
But... (correct me if I'm wrong) would that not require a change in the Korean Immigration Act... and thus be a political activity... and thus be illegal? |
Maybe so. Here's my question: What brought about the change in Korean immigration law that we see today... F-2, F-5 visas, etc. These didn't just pop up out of thin air. What kind of activity --- political or no, and by whom --- brought the current visa menu into existence? Who screamed and hollered and got it done? |
If I remember correctly... It was because the Human Rights Commission told them that they could discriminate against husbands any more... |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Good question LC, maybe someone who has been here 10-15 years can tell us for sure about how the changes to F status visas for marriages came through for sure. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Forward Observer wrote: |
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As an F5 visa holder, I have to say, that ATEK's wording and campaign were totally irresponsible. Maybe a lawyer should be the head of ATEK.
Let me put it this way. I have done 5 CRCs since I have been here. I have a wife and a community which I partake in. I contribute to Korea. I have a lot invested in Korea. My whole damn life is in Korea.
So now ATEK wants me to go back every year on my own dime because they think all teacher's should be treated equal? Here's some news for you ATEK. F5s have gotten their criminal record checks done by immigration. There is no "switch the state" to avoid a DUI conviction charge. F5s have been put through that test.
Here's some more news for you ATEK... teachers in North America don't have to get a CRC done every [mod edit] year.
Here's some more news for you ATEK... If you had a green card in the U.S. or permanent residency in another country, would you like to be treated as an immigrant non-stop year after year.
Throw your money where your spouse is and I bet you wouldn't be so [mod edit] fool hardy with your nonsense campaign.
How about tackling some REAL ISSUES like no-pension.. and lack of health insurance.. or COMPLETELY OBVIOUS TAX FRAUD.. or illegal dismissals...
Gee, I wonder why you didn't campaign against any REAL issues? Oh yeah, I remember. You are a toothless organization that cannot bring about any real change by itself. You have to wait until some [mod edit] LAWYER files a complaint and pounce on it. Thank God you left it to a LAWYER who probably just wants to make a name for himself to decide who has to return to their country every year.
ATEK are you going to pay for lost wages to MY WIFE AND FAMILY if I have to return to my home country.
Have a nice day and [mod edit] off ATEK..
I have been silent until now, but your supporters are clueless what it is like to have invested their WHOLE [mod edit] LIVELYHOOD in Korea. |
My sentiments exactly. The F5 doesn't come easy.
As was mentioned many times before in this thread, we DO get a CRC done when we apply for the F5 visa, and some of us have been married for 10 plus years. My wife and I lived in my home country for 8 years before we came back to Korea, when she got her permanent residence, we were done with all the screenings. That's why I wouldn't want her to have to undergo yearly checks back home, she's already proven herself in my home country. I doubt Korea is going to require F series visa holders to do anything our home countries don't require married Koreans to foreigners and living abroad either.
The whole point of obtaining permanent residence is quite clear. It means that you have already done enough, and you're free to work and live in the country as long as you don't break the rules or violate the law. Some temporary workers and E2 visa holders don't seem to get this notion, no matter how many times it's been explained to them.
As for the idiots that insinuate and generalize about us marrying our wives because we wanted an easy F series visa, just ignore these people. They do not have the slightest inclination of what it's like being married in this culture, and they're also showing their jealousy and vindictiveness. Just ignore them. |
Hey �Kimchieluver,� you called it a "nonsense campaign," don�t you think discrimination is an important issue? The only thing ATEK did was inform E-2 visa holders where/how to file �petitions." Is it more important what most F series visa holders think about that than the actual rights of E-2 visa holders? What it sounds more like is that most F series visa holders don�t care about the rights of E-2 visa holders!
�Forward Observer� wrote��Some temporary workers and E2 visa holders don't seem to get this notion, no matter how many times it's been explained to them.�
Please show me where/why you think E-2 visa holders �don�t get it� and have been explained this many times?
"Forward Observer" also wrote..."As for the idiots that insinuate and generalize about us marrying our wives because we wanted an easy F series visa, just ignore these people.
I don't think it only takes "idiots" to think that people do sometimes get married to make their life easier/for money. In fact I would consider this as common knowledge. So, how is it that anyone in S. Korea couldn't possibly be included? |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Good question LC, maybe someone who has been here 10-15 years can tell us for sure about how the changes to F status visas for marriages came through for sure. |
The changes to allow foreign males to obtain F-2 visas occurred in 1998 as a result of the IMF crisis. Korea agreed to bring its immigration policies more in line with developed countries to receive money needed. |
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DJTwoTone
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: Yangsan - I'm not sure where it is either
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Good question LC, maybe someone who has been here 10-15 years can tell us for sure about how the changes to F status visas for marriages came through for sure. |
The changes to allow foreign males to obtain F-2 visas occurred in 1998 as a result of the IMF crisis. Korea agreed to bring its immigration policies more in line with developed countries to receive money needed. |
But until 2005 those males that were here teaching were also required to have an E-2 on top of their F-2... Like I said before, if I remember correctly, this was changed because the Human Rights Commission told them they couldn't do it anymore... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| So, do the F visa holders have to get the CBC every year? |
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DJTwoTone
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: Yangsan - I'm not sure where it is either
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: |
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No, F series holders do not have to get CBC's for their visas... However they are required, as far as I know, to work in a public school. Although that may depend on the local office of education. F series holders are also not required to have them to work in a hogwon...
But remember... The F series are for family members , the majority of whom are not English teachers, and probably cannot even speak English.
This whole reactionary stance by some F series holders is completely ridiculous, IMHO. |
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Forward Observer
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Location: FOB Gloria
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Wrong.
It took a little over 3 months to process my F5 which included a credit and criminal check here in Korea, plus a criminal check from the US.
It also includes a visit to your home by an immigration officer w/interview. |
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DJTwoTone
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: Yangsan - I'm not sure where it is either
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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I beg your pardon then... Some F series holders don't need to get criminal check, because immigration makes up what ever rules they want on the spot...
Does that sound better? |
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gteacher
Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: Ghost in the machine
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| DJTwoTone wrote: |
I beg your pardon then... Some F series holders don't need to get criminal check, because immigration makes up what ever rules they want on the spot...
Does that sound better? |
F2 doesn;t always have a criminal background check.
For an F5 it is mandatory. The korean government does it though their own contact with your home countries immigration service. They also do a credit check on you and a family interview. If you have the smallest black mark , you get denied your F5 and usually have to wait a period of 1-3 years before you can apply again. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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I got my F5 since 2006 June, so it's coming up to 3 years for me.. I had NO IDEA that they did a CRC on me. When I got married and reported it to immi, they told me to get the F2 for the F5 in (at that time) 5 years' time. The impression we both got was that it was going to be given to me automatically. When they told me to apply for the F2 (I was on E7), I asked what for.... haha.
Mine was super easy to get.. as I said elsewhere several times, they didn't come to our home or anything and the reason why they even talked to me on the phone was because I picked up the phone and started talking to the officer in Korean so he was curious enough to keep going for 15 minutes, basically asking me questions that any taxi driver would. I think being a woman and having a child help a great deal.
Good luck to you all trying to get it!! |
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pocariboy73
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| gteacher wrote: |
| DJTwoTone wrote: |
I beg your pardon then... Some F series holders don't need to get criminal check, because immigration makes up what ever rules they want on the spot...
Does that sound better? |
F2 doesn;t always have a criminal background check.
For an F5 it is mandatory. The korean government does it though their own contact with your home countries immigration service. They also do a credit check on you and a family interview. If you have the smallest black mark , you get denied your F5 and usually have to wait a period of 1-3 years before you can apply again. |
That's not quite true. According to the official "Guidebook for Foreigner Spouses Married to Korean Nationals" put out by Korean Immigration Service,
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Those not qualified for an F5 are as belows :
○ Those who violated Korean immigration law in the latest past of 3 years.
However, those who already paid fine causing from breach of duty of reports
or article 79 of immigration law can apply
○ Those sentenced confinement or more severe punishment |
Thus, a criminal record is OK as long as you haven't been sentenced to confinement or more serious punishment. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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F-series visa holders employed by public schools and universities may not need the CBC to acquire the visa, but they may very well need one to complete the hiring process.
As F-series visa holders, we're submitted to the same regulations as Koreans, and Korean have to submit background checks when seeking employment at educational institutions. I've had to do it a few times, as have other F visa holders I know. No biggie. A pain, yes, but understandable.
However, I don't know if Koreans employed by hakwons (kiddy or adult) have to submit a background check. That would raise interesting questions regarding discrimination. |
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polonius
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| However, I don't know if Koreans employed by hakwons (kiddy or adult) have to submit a background check. That would raise interesting questions regarding discrimination. |
A couple months ago, my admin assistant came by with a form for us to put our ARC numbers in, as well as addresses. He said that he needed it to run a Criminal record check with the Korean Police Services. The Korean teachers were submitted to it too. So, it may appear that Koreans need to submit a criminal record check as well. This is at a hagwon working with elementary students. I will find out tomorrow who asked for these checks, if it was the MOE or anyone else. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Everything you guys are saying is all like news to me. No one has ever asked me for a CRC. |
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