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The Makings of a White House vs Media War?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: The Makings of a White House vs Media War? Reply with quote

There's kind of an interesting exchange going on between a reporter named Rick Santelli and Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.

For the first part, go here: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19083.html

BUT scroll down to the bottom right hand side for a video about the intial report, then go back up to the top for Gibbs' response.

After that, go to this link for Kudlow's interview with Santelli where he goes even further:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/02/rick_santelli_responds_to_gibbs.html
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mises



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to post about that... Seems he's trying to be Joe The Announcer. The "media" is now positioning him as a folk-hero opponent of the administration.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas Jefferson's dad is not the only one who didn't spank his kid enough. It looks to me like Santelli and Kudlow are milking this thing in hopes of a raise at work.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many in the media remain elitists and not only approach "the people in power" with hostility but they also seem to believe they are their superiors intellectually and even politically (they command ratings, thus "the people").

R. Gibbs's completely understandable response to R. Santelli only excited the latter. "Does he not know who I am?" I imagine Santelli asked himself at one point...

Typical. However, probably a small, one-day-item news story. In the meantime, Santelli and his colleagues will likely milk it for all they can get. You gotta love it when the media begin interviewing themselves.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the first video he was standing with a group of equity traders on an institutional trading floor, and started rambling about this and that. The traders shouting in agreement etc. He said "this is America" or "these guys are America".. Now, I know something about that setting.. Those dudes are a far, far distance removed from Joe 6pack. It was absurd to watch.

And then for Kudlow to make it look like a freedom of the press issue. The fact that he, the cantankerous -always wrong- old fart still has a tv show after 4 years of being 180 degrees off, is solid evidence that there is little holding the "media" back.

I guess the financial press has their Joe the Plumber now.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thing may be bigger than I initially thought:

The clip�soon known as the Santelli Rant�became an instant overhyped sensation. The Drudge Report linked to it, and NBC put it into heavy rotation. Santelli was the top story on the NBC Nightly News, and he was replayed or interviewed across NBC, CNBC, and MSNBC. (He may also have been on the CCTV in Rockefeller Center. These network executives are no dummies. As of Friday afternoon, the clip had been viewed 1,277,015 times on CNBC.com, six times as often as the next most-viewed clip.)...

It's definitely not White House policy to elevate cable talking heads. But Gibbs had to push back against the blanket coverage Santelli was getting. He did so pointedly and at length.

Rant for Rant:
Obama's populist smackdown over his housing plan.


http://www.slate.com/id/2211808/
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:18 am    Post subject: check this out Reply with quote

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/13/robert_kuttner_and_michael_hudson_on

This is an interesting critical look at the stimulus package...
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:21 am    Post subject: Re: check this out Reply with quote

man_of_words wrote:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/13/robert_kuttner_and_michael_hudson_on

This is an interesting critical look at the stimulus package...


Wrong thread. This thread is related to the mortgage thing, but not even that directly.

Maybe you should read more of a thread before posting, just to get a general idea of what's going on.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not so spontaneous after all.

http://www.playboy.com/blog/2009/02/backstabber.html
Quote:
Last week, CNBC correspondent Rick Santelli rocketed from being a little-known second-string correspondent to a populist hero of the disenfranchised, a 21st-century Samuel Adams, the leader and symbol of the downtrodden American masses suffering under the onslaught of 21st century socialism and big government. Santelli�s �rant� last-week calling for a �Chicago Tea Party� to protest President Obama�s plans to help distressed American homeowners rapidly spread across the blogosphere and shot right up into White House spokesman Robert Gibbs� craw, whose smackdown during a press conference was later characterized by Santelli as �a threat� from the White House. A nationwide �tea party� grassroots Internet protest movement has sprung up seemingly spontaneously, all inspired by Santelli, with rallies planned today in cities from coast to coast to protest against Obama�s economic policies.

But was Santelli�s rant really so spontaneous? How did a minor-league TV figure, whose contract with CNBC is due this summer, get so quickly launched into a nationwide rightwing blog sensation? Why were there so many sites and organizations online and live within minutes or hours after his rant, leading to a nationwide protest just a week after his rant?

What hasn�t been reported until now is evidence linking Santelli�s �tea party� rant with some very familiar names in the Republican rightwing machine, from PR operatives who specialize in imitation-grassroots PR campaigns (called �astroturfing�) to bigwig politicians and notorious billionaire funders. As veteran Russia reporters, both of us spent years watching the Kremlin use fake grassroots movements to influence and control the political landscape. To us, the uncanny speed and direction the movement took and the players involved in promoting it had a strangely forced quality to it. If it seemed scripted, that's because it was.

What we discovered is that Santelli�s �rant� was not at all spontaneous as his alleged fans claim, but rather it was a carefully-planned trigger for the anti-Obama campaign.
In PR terms, his February 19th call for a �Chicago Tea Party� was the launch event of a carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign, one in which Santelli served as a frontman, using the CNBC airwaves for publicity, for the some of the craziest and sleaziest rightwing oligarch clans this country has ever produced. Namely, the Koch family, the multibilllionaire owners of the largest private corporation in America, and funders of scores of rightwing thinktanks and advocacy groups, from the Cato Institute and Reason Magazine to FreedomWorks. The scion of the Koch family, Fred Koch, was a co-founder of the notorious extremist-rightwing John Birch Society.

As you read this, Big Business is pouring tens of millions of dollars into their media machines in order to destroy just about every economic campaign promise Obama has made, as reported recently in the Wall Street Journal. At stake isn�t the little guy�s fight against big government, as Santelli and his bot-supporters claim, but rather the �upper 2 percent��s war to protect their wealth from the Obama Adminstration�s economic plans. When this Santelli �grassroots� campaign is peeled open, what�s revealed is a glimpse of what is ahead and what is bound to be a hallmark of his presidency.


Let�s go back to February 19th: Rick Santelli, live on CNBC, standing in the middle of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, launches into an attack on the just-announced $300 billion slated to stem rate of home foreclosures: �The government is promoting bad behavior! Do we really want to subsidize the losers� mortgages?! This is America! We're thinking of having a Chicago tea party in July, all you capitalists who want to come down to Lake Michigan, I'm gonna start organizing."

Almost immediately, the clip and the unlikely "Chicago tea party" quote buried in the middle of the segment, zoomed across a well-worn path to headline fame in the Republican echo chamber, including red-alert headlines on Drudge.

Within hours of Santelli's rant, a website called ChicagoTeaParty.com sprang to life. Essentially inactive until that day, it now featured a YouTube video of Santelli�s �tea party� rant and billed itself as the official home of the Chicago Tea Party. The domain was registered in August, 2008 by Zack Christenson, a dweeby Twitter Republican and producer for a popular Chicago rightwing radio host Milt Rosenberg�a familiar name to Obama campaign people. Last August, Rosenberg, who looks like Martin Short's Irving Cohen character, caused an outcry when he interviewed Stanley Kurtz, the conservative writer who first "exposed" a personal link between Obama and former Weather Undergound leader Bill Ayers. As a result of Rosenberg�s radio interview, the Ayers story was given a major push through the Republican media echo chamber, culminating in Sarah Palin�s accusation that Obama was �palling around with terrorists.� That Rosenberg�s producer owns the �chicagoteaparty.com� site is already weird�but what�s even stranger is that he first bought the domain last August, right around the time of Rosenburg�s launch of the �Obama is a terrorist� campaign. It�s as if they held this �Chicago tea party� campaign in reserve, like a sleeper-site. Which is exactly what it was.


The rest of the post is good.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is interesting, although it's a bit too conspiracyish for my taste. (That's not to say it might not be true.)

It's the second time today I've run across The John Birch Society in an unexpected place. Maybe the Birchers are making a comeback. Confused

This morning a saw a blog that reported attendance numbers for the tea parties. With Obama at nearly 70%, you wouldn't expect mass crowds. Here is what the blogger reported:

"Is this really a revolt?

About 200 people showed up at the Chicago tea party...
Nashville did a little better. There, an estimated 600 Tenneseeans turned out...
In North Carolina, they had about 300 people show up...
Barely 300 committed conservatives showed up across from the White House to protest Obama�s policies..."

http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2009/02/27/weak-tea/

I think I saw on another blog that there were 1,500 or so in Kansas City or St. Louis or somewhere. Denver, maybe?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know.. I'm generally a cynical or strongly skeptical person.

George W. Bush, for example. Dad was CIA director, GWB went to private boarding schools in Mass (I think), born and raised in Conn. Yale, then Harvard for an MBA. Then, one day, he's "clearing brush" at his ranch in Texas (which he sold, and he then moved to very posh Houston 'burbs upon ending his political career). He wasn't an everyman, Joe Sixpack American. He was an extremely privileged white dude from the North East who came from an extremely elite family, got an extremely elite education and lived the life of an extremely elite individual.

Everything is constructed in politics. I'm sure Obama was encouraged to have a beer while watching the basketball game.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Everything is constructed in politics


Shocked Shocked

Say it isn't true!!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know.. I'm playing the role of captain obvious today.

But the new 'tea party' thing just doesn't seem spontaneous to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My disappointment with the tea party thing came in Pittsburg. The anti-tax crowd was supposed to throw tea bags--yes, actual real live tea bags--into the Ohio River. I was hoping a crowd of crazed tree huggers would attack them for polluting the river and endangering the lives of fish.

I would pay to see something like that.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chicagoteaparty.com was registered as a website in August, 2008. ha.

http://www.businessinsider.com/plantelli-was-santellis-rant-staged-2009-3
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Tea_Party_protests_sees_as_corporate_0301.html
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