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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:47 am    Post subject: YES WE CANada! Reply with quote

That was reported to be on some of the signs held up to welcome Obama on his trip to Ottawa. It's kind of cute, if you ask me.

The following is a rather harsh, but interesting, assessment of the day trip:

Obama in Ottawa: When Hope Met Apathy

That's right, the earnestly progressive and PC True North Strong and Free, land of gay marriages, permissive approaches to 'illicit substances' and universal health care, somehow elected Stephen Harper, a man who combines a Palin-esque provincialism with Dick Cheney's reverence for secrecy and control. And, today we foisted him on the new American president to represent the Canadian case...

Canada has not escaped the ravages of the global financial crisis, which has hit Alberta's ethically debased oil sands economy and central Canada's manufacturing sector particularly hard. Instead, it is to say that most Canadians expect President Obama to fix the problem for them, even if most would never publicly admit this due to a national pride that has been constructed around a particularly virulent strain of anti-Americanism.

Although Canadians tend to be polite and to love American money, they generally don't like Americans. Canadians love Obama and have celebrated his trip to Canada, but there is a trace of bitterness about the whole thing. Canadians are proud today because they believe that Obama's trip has once again validated the special relationship between the two countries and, in so doing, justified Canada's sense of global worth. At the same time, they resent having to rely on the United States to reaffirm their own sense of self."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-j-finlay/obama-in-ottawa-when-hope_b_168378.html
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megandadam



Joined: 28 Dec 2008
Location: toronto, canada

PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: YES WE CANada! Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
That was reported to be on some of the signs held up to welcome Obama on his trip to Ottawa. It's kind of cute, if you ask me.

The following is a rather harsh, but interesting, assessment of the day trip:

Obama in Ottawa: When Hope Met Apathy

That's right, the earnestly progressive and PC True North Strong and Free, land of gay marriages, permissive approaches to 'illicit substances' and universal health care, somehow elected Stephen Harper, a man who combines a Palin-esque provincialism with Dick Cheney's reverence for secrecy and control. And, today we foisted him on the new American president to represent the Canadian case...

Canada has not escaped the ravages of the global financial crisis, which has hit Alberta's ethically debased oil sands economy and central Canada's manufacturing sector particularly hard. Instead, it is to say that most Canadians expect President Obama to fix the problem for them, even if most would never publicly admit this due to a national pride that has been constructed around a particularly virulent strain of anti-Americanism.

Although Canadians tend to be polite and to love American money, they generally don't like Americans. Canadians love Obama and have celebrated his trip to Canada, but there is a trace of bitterness about the whole thing. Canadians are proud today because they believe that Obama's trip has once again validated the special relationship between the two countries and, in so doing, justified Canada's sense of global worth. At the same time, they resent having to rely on the United States to reaffirm their own sense of self."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-j-finlay/obama-in-ottawa-when-hope_b_168378.html


i don't like harper and it's only with "sober thought" that i can see why canadians elected him.

i see you're quoting her blog so i don't know if that's your opinion or not but i'll add my thoughts.
obama is not expected to fix our problems; harper is an economist by education and is pretty smart, technically, so he's up to the task. (i'm an ndp'er anyways and didn't vote for him but i call it as i see it). harper sucks on anything that i care about, including health care (wants to privatize) and culture and arts (doesn't like them really, thinks it's a waste). our banks haven't had the same problems and in general i think we're not as hard hit due to our primarily service economy. yes, alerta and ontario manufacturing sectors are screwed, including the oil sands (very dirty extraction/refining but still have a lot of oil here).
i think that the people that went to see obama in ottawa are the people that vote for those not harper for the most part. so they are liberal-minded and understand the significance of him as a figure and politician. it has been so long since we've heard anything good coming from the US leaders so people have a bit of jfk fever.
and we're bitter because of americans getting a great leader, not because of some silly inferiority complex. we wish we had an obama.

and i would say, according to any of my compatriots i have talked to over years, that it's not anti-americanism per se, but anger about the actions of america overseas and domestically to their own people. katrina, CONTRA, bush (harper's kindred spirit - wither reagan?) and iraq for instance were travesties that may have damaged america's image forever - obama is the hope of something different.

i feel i have more in common with people in the eastern seabord of the US than with people in alberta.

and it's nice not to laugh at every speech the US leader gives; i find myself looking forward to his speeches.
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hepcat



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The majority of Canadians have liberal social views. The reason Harper is PM is because the voting block of people with liberal views is split 4 ways (Liberal, NDP, Bloc Q., Green). People with conservative social views have only one party to vote for. It was with the help of clever US strategists that the Conservative Party started using minor yet emotive social issues like gay marriage to define the liberal-conservative gap along social lines, and slip into power with a minority of seats in parliament.

On Obama: Yet another example of people, frightened and chock full of wishful thought after Idiot-Bush, being fooled by a glossy exterior and overlooking the unsavory contents. B.O., freshly inaugurated, has already demonstrated that on critical issues, it's business as usual in the White House. His important cabinet appointments, for example, are completely old-school/insider. New results, "change", will not flow from the same old wooden heads serving the same elite constituencies--the military-industrial complex, international finance, the global government agenda.
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sharkey



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i cant see the conservatives winning another election
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