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missty



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Is a British accent really that difficult to understand? Reply with quote

I should start by stating that I am from England, and have a very standard British accent.

So, today I had to pre-record the listening test for the new students at my High School. My co-teacher asked me if instead of recording it in my own British accent, whether I could speak with an 'American' accent. Shocked

After the initial few moments of digesting this suggestion, I tried to 'politely' say no to her. My co-teacher was concerned however that the new students wouldn't know what I saying. I was more concerned that the new students would either find my 'American' accent so hysterical that they couldn't concentrate on their test, or just that they couldn't understand my 'attempt' at an American accent to begin with.

I am terrible at accents anyway, I come from just near Bristol and can't even do the Bristolian accent very well (although I am not too sure that this is a bad thing).

So there were a few minutes back and forth of: 'no, I'd be terrible' to: 'oh but at least try', to: 'no, America rules the world.' (In my defense it was the first thing I could think of to get her to stop asking, and it worked - the Brits won through in the end).

So my question is this: Is a British accent that difficult to understand for Korean students? And if it is then why do they bother hiring people from other countries in the first place? I'm not going to speak fake American for the whole time I am in the classroom, so the kids might as well get used to it. Plus they wanted to make the test hard so that the new kids would know that they meant business. What better way of freaking them out than by speaking like the Queen, - wouldn't one agree?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a British accent really that difficult to understand? Reply with quote

missty wrote:
I should start by stating that I am from England, and have a very standard British accent.


What is one of them?

We have some of the most diverse accents in the world in the UK.


So what the hell is a standard British accent?
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Slaps



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So what the hell is a standard British accent?


RP or BBC English is considered a standard British accent.

Anything from the home counties would also pass I guess.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a British accent really that difficult to understand? Reply with quote

missty wrote:
I should start by stating that I am from England, and have a very standard British accent.

So, today I had to pre-record the listening test for the new students at my High School. My co-teacher asked me if instead of recording it in my own British accent, whether I could speak with an 'American' accent. Shocked

After the initial few moments of digesting this suggestion, I tried to 'politely' say no to her. My co-teacher was concerned however that the new students wouldn't know what I saying. I was more concerned that the new students would either find my 'American' accent so hysterical that they couldn't concentrate on their test, or just that they couldn't understand my 'attempt' at an American accent to begin with.

I am terrible at accents anyway, I come from just near Bristol and can't even do the Bristolian accent very well (although I am not too sure that this is a bad thing).

So there were a few minutes back and forth of: 'no, I'd be terrible' to: 'oh but at least try', to: 'no, America rules the world.' (In my defense it was the first thing I could think of to get her to stop asking, and it worked - the Brits won through in the end).

So my question is this: Is a British accent that difficult to understand for Korean students? And if it is then why do they bother hiring people from other countries in the first place? I'm not going to speak fake American for the whole time I am in the classroom, so the kids might as well get used to it. Plus they wanted to make the test hard so that the new kids would know that they meant business. What better way of freaking them out than by speaking like the Queen, - wouldn't one agree?


Fake posh accent vs. fake American accent. Should be an easy segue.
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Kwangjuchicken



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a British accent really that difficult to understand? Reply with quote

missty wrote:
I should start by stating that I am from England, and have a very standard British accent.

So, today I had to pre-record the listening test for the new students at my High School. My co-teacher asked me if instead of recording it in my own British accent, whether I could speak with an 'American' accent. Shocked

After the initial few moments of digesting this suggestion, I tried to 'politely' say no to her. My co-teacher was concerned however that the new students wouldn't know what I saying. I was more concerned that the new students would either find my 'American' accent so hysterical that they couldn't concentrate on their test, or just that they couldn't understand my 'attempt' at an American accent to begin with.

I am terrible at accents anyway, I come from just near Bristol and can't even do the Bristolian accent very well (although I am not too sure that this is a bad thing).

So there were a few minutes back and forth of: 'no, I'd be terrible' to: 'oh but at least try', to: 'no, America rules the world.' (In my defense it was the first thing I could think of to get her to stop asking, and it worked - the Brits won through in the end).

So my question is this: Is a British accent that difficult to understand for Korean students? And if it is then why do they bother hiring people from other countries in the first place? I'm not going to speak fake American for the whole time I am in the classroom, so the kids might as well get used to it. Plus they wanted to make the test hard so that the new kids would know that they meant business. What better way of freaking them out than by speaking like the Queen, - wouldn't one agree?

If they are not used to your accent, no matter where you are from, it takes time. Even from one speaker to another with the same "accent" that new voice takes time. So, no matter what, the exam would be difficult if they are not used to your voice. One thing I have long wondered about is why in British English words that end in the letter "a" are pronouned like they end in "er"? Americer, Africer, Princess Dianner,
a galer affair, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, I've heard PLENTY of Americans, teaching in Korea, say the same thing- that they've been told that they have an "accent."
Well, sometimes "accent" is used as an excuse to tell a foreign teacher that Koreans, especially incompetent Korean teachers, don't understand what you're saying. Also this happens because the previous foreign teacher did a bad job with speaking and correcting Korean teachers and students.
My advice? If you think you're doing a good job, then just continue to do a good job. Just don't believe everything you're told and don't make this into an "England vs. the USA" thing.
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Ramen



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh? Wink
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fromtheuk



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust me OP, some Koreans really don't have a clue.

They don't realize British English is the original version and therefore the best.

Because they see America as top of the pops, they automatically assume their version of English is the best.

Just bite your tongue and patronize them. They are so ignorant they don't even know most intelligent Americans are dieing to sound English.

And before I'm labelled intolerant, I'm of Pakistani descent, so it makes no difference to me anyway. But the truth must be told! Laughing
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berrieh



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't you Brits speak English properly like us Americans? Wink

(Kidding!)

I'm terribly glad that there's at least somewhere, in some venue (besides blowing things up---something we seem to excel at needlessly), no matter how silly, where Americans still reign supreme. So what if our modern day Rome is burning, Koreans prefer our accents!

At any rate, thank you for making me smile. I've never understood the issue with accents, but I've grown up in the melting pot of the melting pot, so every 2nd person here has some sort of weird accent-Columbian, British, Indian, Chinese, Southern(American), whatever.

I find it amusing when people say "American" accent as though there's 1. I know they mean "TV English," but surely you must be easier to understand than an American Southerner or someone from Brooklyn!


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elavndrc



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even for some Americans the British accent is hard to understand....at least for me anyways... usually depends on the person speaking but I do have to use a bit more effort.
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fromtheuk



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the point is they don't reign supreme, in the eyes of Koreans they do, precisely because they have no idea about what quality English is.

If they knew something about the language, they'd prefer the British version.

I think the popularity of American English, regardless of it's actual worth is pathetic.

I always speak with a British accent and correct my students when they use American pronunciation. Laughing
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Jeff's Cigarettes



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are very few pronunciation features of any American dialect that didn't come from somewhere in the present-day UK or Ireland, so most aspects of American speech that sound British, Scottish or Irish have been in the US for centuries.
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missty



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a British accent really that difficult to understand? Reply with quote

sobriquet wrote:
missty wrote:
I should start by stating that I am from England, and have a very standard British accent.


What is one of them?

We have some of the most diverse accents in the world in the UK.


So what the hell is a standard British accent?


Good point. I was thinking RP, and not a local dialect.



I just don't want this thread to become 'Britain is better than the USA' (or vice versa) because that's not what I meant and not something I believe in. Its just that this is the first time working abroad that I have had this problem, teaching in Europe I was amongst all Brits, and in Hong Kong they were all used to the British accent.

Even so, I do make sure my students learn the British way of saying things as well as the American way, I see no reason why they can't know both. What they choose to speak after that is totally their own choice.

As I said before, all my kids love my accent, I think I do a good job and they all seem to like me. As for the accent, well I'm not going to start practicing my fake American any time soon. If they have a problem with it then they can go speak to my American colleague, that way they have the best of both worlds.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Is a British accent really that difficult to understand? Reply with quote

Kwangjuchicken wrote:
missty wrote:
I should start by stating that I am from England, and have a very standard British accent.

So, today I had to pre-record the listening test for the new students at my High School. My co-teacher asked me if instead of recording it in my own British accent, whether I could speak with an 'American' accent. Shocked

After the initial few moments of digesting this suggestion, I tried to 'politely' say no to her. My co-teacher was concerned however that the new students wouldn't know what I saying. I was more concerned that the new students would either find my 'American' accent so hysterical that they couldn't concentrate on their test, or just that they couldn't understand my 'attempt' at an American accent to begin with.

I am terrible at accents anyway, I come from just near Bristol and can't even do the Bristolian accent very well (although I am not too sure that this is a bad thing).

So there were a few minutes back and forth of: 'no, I'd be terrible' to: 'oh but at least try', to: 'no, America rules the world.' (In my defense it was the first thing I could think of to get her to stop asking, and it worked - the Brits won through in the end).

So my question is this: Is a British accent that difficult to understand for Korean students? And if it is then why do they bother hiring people from other countries in the first place? I'm not going to speak fake American for the whole time I am in the classroom, so the kids might as well get used to it. Plus they wanted to make the test hard so that the new kids would know that they meant business. What better way of freaking them out than by speaking like the Queen, - wouldn't one agree?

If they are not used to your accent, no matter where you are from, it takes time. Even from one speaker to another with the same "accent" that new voice takes time. So, no matter what, the exam would be difficult if they are not used to your voice. One thing I have long wondered about is why in British English words that end in the letter "a" are pronouned like they end in "er"? Americer, Africer, Princess Dianner,
a galer affair, etc.
Very Happy



We do? We're not consciously aware of doing this until it is forced on our attention by Americans or uncomprehending Korean students. I think it comes from our habit of not pronouncing final 'r', unless, that is, the following word begins with a vowel in which case we can slip it in there as an initial 'r' - much easier for us to pronounce.

'car' is pronounced /ka/
'car insurance' on the other hand is pronounced /ka rinsheurunss/ (note change in position of 'r')

In fact, I would have said we pronounce words with final 'r' as if they were words without it, so that 'liquor' ends in a schwa in exactly the same way that 'America' does. If, as you point out, we're pronouncing words like 'America' as if they were actually supposed to have an 'er' sound, it's from a process of overcompensation.

So, first we reduced both final vowels and then vowels followed by final 'r' to a schwa sound, and now it seems we replace all these schwas with the 'er' sound you refer to because that's easy for us to pronounce - never an 'ar' or 'or' because we have an aversion to those sounds in the final position. No wonder Americans look at us funny.

'aviator' changes to 'aviatuh' changes to 'aviater'

Disclaimer: I'm not a linguist. I just think I've got that right. And if I haven't, the internet being what it is, someone will post a correction pretty soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only problem I've encountered is when you say some words in class with British pronunciation, because the students are only familiar with American English they actually think you don't know English!

My scumbag co-teacher tried to correct my pronunciation of some words i.e. changing it to American pronunciation.

I explained to her there are various ways of pronouncing specific words, and some of them are British and some of them are American.

If it's not American, Koreans think it is wrong. This is what I mean about their lack of appreciation of the language. If they understood English, they'd appreciate the British version far more.

I'm not saying it from any nationalistic viewpoint, just based on merit.
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