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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: B. Obama against free speech, defies Bill of Rights... |
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Dear Mr. President. I have a straightforward question, which I hope you will answer in a straightforward way: Is it your intention to censor talk radio through a variety of contrivances, such as 'local content,' 'diversity of ownership,' and 'public interest' rules -- all of which are designed to appeal to populist sentiments but, as you know, are the death knell of talk radio and the AM band?
You have singled me out directly, admonishing members of Congress not to listen to my show. Bill Clinton has since chimed in, complaining about the lack of balance on radio. And a number of members of your party, in and out of Congress, are forming a chorus of advocates for government control over radio content. This is both chilling and ominous... |
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On the other hand
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I don't think TV and radio are covered by the Bill Of Rights. Otherwise, it would be legal to show porn films on regular cable channels, and spew four-letter-words into the microphone on call-in shows. But of course those things aren't allowed.
Isn't there some legal thing about the airwaves being public property, and hence open to regulation in a way that books and movies aren't?
I don't doubt that the Democrats are pursuing a revived fairness doctrine purely for political gain, and that they would not be so fired up about balance in the media if Air America were the Number 1 station. That said, I don't think this can really be framed as a Bill Of Rights issue, unless you're also prepared to defend NBC showing hardcore porn at three in the afternoon. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| I do not believe you are getting into the spirit of this, On the Other Hand. |
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chickenpie
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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It's obvious isn't it.
Us government, no matter who is in charge act like utter cun*s.
Simple really.
Reps vs Dems
Dems vs Reps
Nothing changes. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I don't think TV and radio are covered by the Bill Of Rights. Otherwise, it would be legal to show porn films on regular cable channels, and spew four-letter-words into the microphone on call-in shows. But of course those things aren't allowed.
Isn't there some legal thing about the airwaves being public property, and hence open to regulation in a way that books and movies aren't?
I don't doubt that the Democrats are pursuing a revived fairness doctrine purely for political gain, and that they would not be so fired up about balance in the media if Air America were the Number 1 station. That said, I don't think this can really be framed as a Bill Of Rights issue, unless you're also prepared to defend NBC showing hardcore porn at three in the afternoon. |
Free speech is absolute.
The government does not have the right to own the airwaves. The government should not be allowed to own most forms of property and never any property related to free speech activities.
Civil rights and civil liberties cannot be protected without absolute protection of all property rights.
And, yes, NBC should be free to show hardcore porn at three in the afternoon. It would be an unwise business decision. But, it is their absolute right under the First Amendment to the US Constitution. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| I do not believe you are getting into the spirit of this, On the Other Hand. |
No, I can appreciate the anti-"Fairness" arguments being made. I just don't think it's legitimate to frame this as a First Amendment issue. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| And, yes, NBC should be free to show hardcore porn at three in the afternoon. It would be an unwise business decision. But, it is their absolute right under the First Amendment to the US Constitution. |
Yeah, but as long as Limbaugh and Company accept the validity of airwave regulation(and really, how many social conservatives are fighting for porn on Saturday Morning TV?), then there are no serious First Amendment arguments being made by his side.
Anyone who feels strongly about airwave deregulation should start a movement toward that end. I can almost guarantee you that that is NOT what Limbaugh is pushing here. |
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On the other hand
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Ah, I just had an epiphany...
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| I do not believe you are getting into the spirit of this, On the Other Hand. |
Is this meant as a parody of leftists who claimed that every single thing Bush did was the thin edge of the totalitarian apparatus? |
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Hater Depot
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ontheway
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| And, yes, NBC should be free to show hardcore porn at three in the afternoon. It would be an unwise business decision. But, it is their absolute right under the First Amendment to the US Constitution. |
Yeah, but as long as Limbaugh and Company accept the validity of airwave regulation(and really, how many social conservatives are fighting for porn on Saturday Morning TV?), then there are no serious First Amendment arguments being made by his side.
Anyone who feels strongly about airwave deregulation should start a movement toward that end. I can almost guarantee you that that is NOT what Limbaugh is pushing here. |
There is not much difference between Limbaugh and porn. Some people get off on one, some on the other, some are disgusted by either one or the other or both, and both are bad for young children.
Free Speech is absolute.
It's up to parents to protect their children. It is not a function of the government. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Put a gold star on On the Other Hand's chart for today...
I will take you up on this, however.
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| I don't doubt that the Democrats are pursuing a revived fairness doctrine purely for political gain, and that they would not be so fired up about balance in the media if Air America were the Number 1 station. |
Neither they nor their opponents have ever sincerely supported a fair-and-balanced media. They only bring it up when the other side's press organs begin to frighten them. These are propaganda wars, raging propaganda wars. No more no less.
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The mainstream media made it a mission to destroy the vice presidential candidacy of Sarah Palin, the Alaska governor says in a new documentary released Monday.
In an interview taped last month for conservative John Zeigler's new film "Media Malpractice," Palin said it is "very frightening, I think, what the media was able to get away with, this go-around."
"'We are going to seek and we are going to destroy this candidacy of Sarah Palin's because of what it is that she represents,'" the former vice presidential candidate described as the attitude members of the press adopted.
The movie, available on DVD for the first time Monday, chronicles press coverage of both Democratic primary campaign and the general election, and concludes the media was clearly biased in favor of Barack Obama.
"This is for the sake of our democracy that there is fairness in this other branch of government, if you will, called the media," Palin also says in the interview filmed in January. "It is foreign to me the way some in the mainstream media are thinking." |
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NoExplode
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| This really disappoints me. We've got everything we want--President, Senate, Congress. We're doing something right, we don't need to get Orwellian by imposing speech regulation on the radio. It's just petty. We would look like that one basketball team that beat the retarded kids 100-0. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| This really disappoints me. We've got everything we want--President, Senate, Congress. We're doing something right, we don't need to get Orwellian by imposing speech regulation on the radio. It's just petty. We would look like that one basketball team that beat the retarded kids 100-0. |
The premise of the OP is . . . well I don't understand.
Gopher, can you show us any concrete steps Obama has taken towards shutting down Conservative Talk-Radio?
It looks to me like its just Limbaugh blowing hard. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| This really disappoints me. We've got everything we want--President, Senate, Congress. We're doing something right, we don't need to get Orwellian by imposing speech regulation on the radio. It's just petty. We would look like that one basketball team that beat the retarded kids 100-0. |
The premise of the OP is . . . well I don't understand.
Gopher, can you show us any concrete steps Obama has taken towards shutting down Conservative Talk-Radio?
It looks to me like its just Limbaugh blowing hard. |
Read OTOH's last post again. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| NoExplode wrote: |
| This really disappoints me. We've got everything we want--President, Senate, Congress. We're doing something right, we don't need to get Orwellian by imposing speech regulation on the radio. It's just petty. We would look like that one basketball team that beat the retarded kids 100-0. |
The premise of the OP is . . . well I don't understand.
Gopher, can you show us any concrete steps Obama has taken towards shutting down Conservative Talk-Radio?
It looks to me like its just Limbaugh blowing hard. |
It's more than that Obama hasn't taken any steps, he's said he doesn't support the idea. This is the (at least) second thread Gopher has started about this topic. It's a non-starter. That doesn't stop Rush and his new recruit Gopher. Oh well.
One of the main criticisms of the Right is that they have nothing new to offer. This thread is an illustration of that. |
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