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WendyRose
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
Location: hanam-si, seoul
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| 정 is pronounced "Jeong" |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Kim Jong Il is a better romanization of 김정일. |
Have to agree with Caniff.
-ong sound 엉
Jong
Song
Long
Wrong
Hong Kong
-ah sound 아
hot
lot
tot
on
John
Don
Jeong and Jong are the same. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Shouldn't 종 be transliterated Jong? |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Romanizing it as Kim Jong-il leads everyone in the west to pronounce it as if it were actually 김종일. It's like Kim Yu-na. Everyone pronounces her name as if it were 김유나 instead of 김연아. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| Kim Jong Il is a better romanization of 김정일. |
Have to agree with Caniff.
-ong sound 엉
Jong
Song
Long
Wrong
Hong Kong
-ah sound 아
hot
lot
tot
on
John
Don
Jeong and Jong are the same. |
No not at all.
Words like Song, Long, Bong, Wrong etc do not have a 엉 sound in them.
Song , Long etc have a Long A sound in them. Like AH.
A doctor might ask you to open your mouth and say AH. That is the sound in words such as long and song.
It isn't similiar in Kim Jung Il's name. It is not a long A.
엉 is not a long A. It is an UH sound.
Like Chung, rung, stung etc. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| Romanizing it as Kim Jong-il leads everyone in the west to pronounce it as if it were actually 김종일. It's like Kim Yu-na. Everyone pronounces her name as if it were 김유나 instead of 김연아. |
Exactly. His name is spelled and pronounced as 김정일. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Suess wrote:
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Jong
Song
Long
Wrong
Hong Kong
His name isnt JONG as in the word LONG or SONG
Long? song? Michael Phelps Bong?
It's more of a Jeong than a Jong so it's prounced like Jawng like is Jaw, or saw.
I wonder how the spelling for Kim Jeong Un is in Korean.
Is it pronounced like oon like in soon or un like in sun?
I don't pronounce 정 like 'bong', but neither do I pronouce it like 'Jung".
Like Chung, rung, stung
BONG rhymes with LONG, rhymes with SONG... |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| Hater Depot wrote: |
| Romanizing it as Kim Jong-il leads everyone in the west to pronounce it as if it were actually 김종일. It's like Kim Yu-na. Everyone pronounces her name as if it were 김유나 instead of 김연아. |
Exactly. His name is spelled and pronounced as 김정일. |
Type it into Google and see which one is more common. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Shouldn't 종 be transliterated Jong? |
종 is Joeng.
oh
no
glow
toe
Noe
Know
Joe
Joeng
For NAVFC, I sure hope you are not teaching English.
FYI, the LONG "A" sound is prounounced: similar to 애
late
date
wait
fate
rate
gate
The SHORT "A" sound is: There is NO Korean sound like short "a"
at
cat
hat
rat
sat
fat
The "ah" sound is"
on
upon
respond
John 잔 when written correctly in Hangul.
the "oh" sound:
Joan 존 in Hangul.
bone
lone
phone
tone
The "aw" sound ie 어 in Hangul.
paw
law
fawn
dawn
gone
dog
log
bog
The "uh" sound sound of the letter "U" also does not exist in Hangul.
fun
sun
won
one
tun
gun
And now, we are done. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: |
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No matter how you pronounce his name, he is still a piece of human detritus.
May he suffer a slow and agonizing death. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Shouldn't 종 be transliterated Jong? |
종 is Joeng.
oh
no
glow
toe
Noe
Know
Joe
Joeng
For NAVFC, I sure hope you are not teaching English.
FYI, the LONG "A" sound is prounounced: similar to 애
late
date
wait
fate
rate
gate
The SHORT "A" sound is: There is NO Korean sound like short "a"
at
cat
hat
rat
sat
fat
The "ah" sound is"
on
upon
respond
John 잔 when written correctly in Hangul.
the "oh" sound:
Joan 존 in Hangul.
bone
lone
phone
tone
The "aw" sound ie 어 in Hangul.
paw
law
fawn
dawn
gone
dog
log
bog
The "uh" sound sound of the letter "U" also does not exist in Hangul.
fun
sun
won
one
tun
gun
And now, we are done. |
His name isnt spelled 종 though its 정
and yes Korean does have the uh sound.
depending on usage , 어 is like aw in the word thaw,
or uh as in the word Uh oh.
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
| Hater Depot wrote: |
| Romanizing it as Kim Jong-il leads everyone in the west to pronounce it as if it were actually 김종일. It's like Kim Yu-na. Everyone pronounces her name as if it were 김유나 instead of 김연아. |
Exactly. His name is spelled and pronounced as 김정일. |
Type it into Google and see which one is more common. |
So????
If you look at any of the photos from the North Korean mass games, when ever they form his name in cards or candles, it is always spelled
김정일
such as in this sign:
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/081107_kim.jpg
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
No it isnt.
정 is pronounced Jung. (juh-ng) Not Jong (JAH-NG)
Furthermore if you watch the movie JSA or any korean movie that ever mentions him, they pronounce it Kim Jung Il |
You're just flat out wrong on both accounts. At first glance nearly every educated native speaker would pronounce "Jung" and "Jong" very differently; "Jung" using the short u sound is the wrong vowel for the Korean 어 sound in 정. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| nateium wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
No it isnt.
정 is pronounced Jung. (juh-ng) Not Jong (JAH-NG)
Furthermore if you watch the movie JSA or any korean movie that ever mentions him, they pronounce it Kim Jung Il |
You're just flat out wrong on both accounts. At first glance nearly every educated native speaker would pronounce "Jung" and "Jong" very
differently;
Umm and when did I say they were the same?
"Jung" using the short u sound is the wrong vowel for the Korean 어 sound in 정. |
What? Im saying the mans name isnt pronounced JAHNG. Some here are trying to iply his name is, as if it were pronounce JAHNG (or JAW-NG) as another user wrote it, and thats just plain incorrect. |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| nateium wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
No it isnt.
정 is pronounced Jung. (juh-ng) Not Jong (JAH-NG)
Furthermore if you watch the movie JSA or any korean movie that ever mentions him, they pronounce it Kim Jung Il |
You're just flat out wrong on both accounts. At first glance nearly every educated native speaker would pronounce "Jung" and "Jong" very
differently;
Umm and when did I say they were the same?
"Jung" using the short u sound is the wrong vowel for the Korean 어 sound in 정. |
What? Im saying the mans name isnt pronounced JAHNG. Some here are trying to iply his name is, as if it were pronounce JAHNG (or JAW-NG) as another user wrote it, and thats just plain incorrect. |
The short u sound in the English language is not equivalent to the Hangul 어. |
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