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[NoExplode]

Kind of a rehash of what's been going around, but I'm really starting to like this lawyer guy who's raising awareness about HUman Rights Violations against us:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-korea-teach24-2009feb24,0,5668407.story?page=2

Better to go to the link than pasting the story, as the more hits the LA Times gets on this, the more apt they will be to run more stuff. [/quote]

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Foreigners hope to teach South Korea dangers of bias

John M. Glionna / Los Angeles Times

English instructors say they are tired of being pegged as routine drug users and criminals.
By John M. Glionna
February 24, 2009

Reporting from Seoul -- In three years of teaching English in South Korea, Tony Hellmann says he's seen discrimination both in and out of the classroom.

He knows teachers, he says, who are harassed for having Korean girlfriends. He's met only three black instructors in his time. And he's been denied service in Korean bars.


"I've been told to leave because I'm a foreigner," the 33-year-old Seattle native said.

Now Hellmann is helping wage a campaign against what he views as part of a troubling trend of discrimination against foreigners, this one fostered by South Korean officials: the idea that teachers from abroad routinely use illicit drugs and commit crimes.

A government policy enacted 15 months ago requires nearly 20,000 foreign English teachers to submit to HIV and drug tests, as well as criminal background checks not required of ethnic Koreans.

Many nations, including the United States, require entrants to fill out forms about their sexual and criminal histories, but activists say the situation in South Korea is different because it calls for foreign residents already in the country to submit to compulsory checks.

The tests, ordered by the Ministry of Justice, "reflect a mind-set that foreign teachers are potentially dangerous just because they are foreign," said Hellmann, a spokesman for the nonprofit Assn. for Teachers of English in Korea, which is being launched this month.

Many say the news media here have helped intensify stereotypes faced by the estimated 1 million foreigners living in South Korea.

One 2007 story on foreigners who commit crimes, published in the Chosun Ilbo, the nation's leading Korean-language newspaper, featured a cartoon with three knife-wielding characters chasing down a terrified Korean girl.

In the last year, the National Human Rights Commission of Korea upheld two separate complaints by foreigners -- one that businesses barred black Africans and another that firms set unfair requirements for non-Koreans seeking Internet service.

In a separate case not brought before the board, an African American soldier and mother of one serving in Seoul was recently asked to vacate her apartment after the owners learned she was black.

"We were honest," said a real estate agent involved in the deal, who asked not to be named. "We told her the owners didn't know she was black. When they found out, they wanted her to leave."

Government officials say the rules for E-2 visas -- normally issued to language instructors who are foreigners -- are a reaction to mounting public concern about drug use and sexually transmitted diseases.

Korean authorities in 2007 deported a 55-year-old American teacher on a sex offenders watch list after a child pornography conviction in Los Angeles, officials say. And since 2001, more than 1,400 language teachers who are foreigners have been accused of offenses that include forged degrees and visa violations, according to press reports.

A parliament bill introduced in December would expand the Ministry of Justice's E-2 visa policy. Under the measure, immigration officials could require drug and HIV testing and checks for criminal records of any foreigner seeking a work visa.

The bill's purpose statement says Koreans need "measures to deal with the threat [foreigners] pose to our society's public order and our people's health."

This month, Benjamin Wagner, a law professor at Kyung Hee University, filed a complaint with the human rights commission, arguing that the government's policy regarding English teachers is flawed because it doesn't cover all instructors, such as ethnic Koreans. More than 40% of E-2 visa holders are American and 30% are Canadian.

"An insidious process is unfolding in Korean society," Wagner wrote. "Xenophobic beliefs have been allowed to spread through the media and society and are now threatening to become law."

Susan Kim, an investigator with the rights commission, said, "There is clearly discrimination in Korea today."

"Many people consider Korea to be a homogeneous nation," she said. "For them, foreigners are different. They're viewed as often unwelcome strangers."

At the same time, statistics don't back up suspicions about foreigners, Wagner said.

In the three years before the introduction of the E-2 policy in 2007, he said, no foreign English teachers were arrested for any of the drugs for which they are being tested under the requirement.

Moreover, 2008 government data show that foreigners are arrested for sex crimes at one-fourth the rate of Korean nationals, Wagner said. "Contrary to media hysteria, a drug problem does not exist among foreign English teachers in Korea," he said. "The idea that foreigners pose some kind of greater threat to children is misplaced, both from the perspective of national bias, as well as from the evidence."

He cited a 2007 article on a Korean-language Internet site headlined "Korea is a 'Perverted Paradise' for foreign English teachers." The piece, published on NoCut News, quoted an officer in the Seoul police department's foreign affairs division saying, "American and Canadian English teachers think Korea is a land of opportunity [and a] perverted paradise [because] the majority of them find it easy to seduce Korean women and do drugs with them."

On its website, a group that calls itself the National Movement for the Withdrawal of Illegal Foreign Language Teachers claimed that many foreigners view Korean women solely as sex objects.

Yie Eun-woong, a leader of the group, said foreigners have brought trouble upon themselves.

"The outsiders make themselves become discriminated against," said Yie, who declined to reveal his profession. "Foreign teachers get much more pay -- and enjoy all kinds of pleasures -- while better-qualified South Koreans are struggling with their unemployment."

Companies that recruit foreign English teachers say such attitudes threaten the $15-billion English-teaching industry.

"Korea is a conservative country," said one owner, who declined to give his name. "People just don't like foreign teachers."

Hellmann, who is now a university lecturer here on English education, said scores of foreign English teachers have taken part in a write-in campaign against the Ministry of Justice rules.

On Wednesday, he and Wagner spoke on an English-language radio program in Seoul where the host explained that many Koreans assume foreigners have criminal records.

Wagner, a former English teacher who is not affiliated with Hellmann's group, told of a 19-year-old South Korean exchange student arrested last year in Vermont on child sex charges.

"How do we address this issue in America?" he said. "We don't say all Koreans are dangerous. We say here's a problem individual who needs to be punished. It's as simple as that."

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Ju-min Park of The Times' Seoul Bureau contributed to this report.

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and you can thank ATEK for the publicity.

[Jeff's Cigarettes]

That Yie guy is the quintessential KIMBERLY!

[T-J]

[goodsounz]

This aint gonna help. http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/02/117_40175.html

4 HIV Positive Foreigners Remain Unaccounted for

By Park Si-soo
Staff Reporter

The Suwon Immigration Office said Tuesday it had been tracing the whereabouts of four foreigners who have been tested human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) positive.

Late last year, the office obtained names of 12 foreigners diagnosed with HIV positive, which could develop into Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS), from the Korea Center for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC).

Of them, eight were either deported or hospitalized here for treatment, the office said. But the other four, allegedly overstaying their visas, remain outside the authorities' radar.

``Knowing where undocumented foreign nationals reside here is almost impossible,'' an immigration officier said. ``Countries with huge undocumented foreigners such as the United States have run special taskforces to trace questionable individuals. But currently it's almost impossible here for a lack of manpower.''

This is not an isolated case for the provincial office. According to Rep. Lee Ae-joo, as of last June, about 63 HIV positive non-Koreans remain unaccounted for nationwide, accounting for 8.7 percent of 720 foreigners who the health ministry estimates have been infected with the virus.

``We need pay an extra attention to this problem,'' Lee said.

For instance, a 36-year-old Uzbekistan woman, diagnosed HIV positive in 2006, was recently caught in Anseong, Gyeonggi Province, where she worked as a barmaid overstaying her visa. It has not yet been confirmed whether she had sexual relations with others during the period of time, according to police.

``There are many health-checkup centers around the province. But they failed to draw attention from foreigners mostly busy making money,'' a Gyeonggi government official said.

KCDC provides AIDS check-up service to foreigners. ``It does not require check-up takers' personal information at all,'' a KCDC officer said. ``What is most worrisome is that some are not aware of their infection to the virus.''

It has widened its anti-AIDS campaign to those susceptible to the disease.

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[Jeff's Cigarettes]

Most likely they are 3D workers. Anyhow, from what I've seen of those guys the only way they could get laid was w/ a prostitute or another 3D'er. If they are girls working in the sex trade it wouldn't affect Koreans because everyone knows that Korean men don't frequent prostitutes.

[pocariboy73]

Ever since the start of ATEK's spectacular "Equality for All" campaign, I wondered just who that Tony Hellman guy was. Was he for real? Did he really exist?

Well, thanks to the LA Times article with his photo, I now can place a face to his name. And coincidently, we both happen to live in the same part of town. Isn't it amazing how small the world is?

Tony, how about a cup of tea sometime?

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[amemorylost]

[crusher_of_heads]

The more publicity kimberly gets for it's discriminatory stupidity, the better; it's for South Korea's own good. Straphanger, email [email protected] about the Phillipino wife of Kimberly who had to put out at the point of a knife; it's just common sense.

[okokok]

Hey Tony. Give 'em hell, man!

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[Scotticus]

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