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Kim Jung Un to succeed Kim Jung Il as leader of North Korea
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NAVFC



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only said the middle sound in John and Song were alike, not that the entire words were the same. They are different words. But that middle sound is the same.

If John ended in NG instead of hn it would be an exact rhyme of song. Thats what Im talking about. that middle sound.

and furthermore, just to clarfi before we go any further, are you then saying that Koreans are in error when they pronounce 김일성 as Kim Il Sung? And that the correct pronunciation, is Kim Il Song?
and if so why would they mispronounce their own language?

Were not talking about merely transliterating to english here. We are talking about actually saying and speaking the word.

if 김일성 was really pronounced Kim Il Song, why wouldnt they just say Kim Il Song? Why do they say Kim Il Sung, when speaking, In korean? Ie not just during romanization?
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
I only said the middle sound in John and Song were alike, not that the entire words were the same. They are different words. But that middle sound is the same.

If John ended in NG instead of hn it would be an exact rhyme of song. Thats what Im talking about. that middle sound.

and furthermore, just to clarfi before we go any further, are you then saying that Koreans are in error when they pronounce 김일성 as Kim Il Sung? And that the correct pronunciation, is Kim Il Song?
and if so why would they mispronounce their own language?

Were not talking about merely transliterating to english here. We are talking about actually saying and speaking the word.

if 김일성 was really pronounced Kim Il Song, why wouldnt they just say Kim Il Song? Why do they say Kim Il Sung, when speaking, In korean? Ie not just during rominzation?




The Koreans actually say "Kim Ilsong" when they are speaking the word.

They do NOT say "sung" they say "song" but you have to be able to hear the sound correctly. You cannot.

NAVFC, you do NOT have a standard pronunciation of "song" and you cannot hear it correctly. You are new at Korean, and cannot hear that correctly either.

A person who is tone deaf cannot transcribe musical sounds into notes on paper.


The problem is that the Koreans who originally wrote "sung" were unable to discern the difference between "song" and "sung" and they had already decided to use "song" incorrectly for 송.

송 should be "soeng" or sohng.

성 is "song"



Yes the Koreans have it wrong. But, the new generation is far ahead of their elders. They can hear the difference and hopefully they will be able to change it when their elders finally retire and get out of the way.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, as I said on page 3, the middle sounds of "John" and "song" are not the same in standard American English according to 3 major dictionaries.

You have a local dialect. You are from somewhere that has an unusual sound. You are unable to hear the Korean sounds correctly. This is due to the fact that you "hear" all sounds within a certain region of pronunciation as being the same even though others can hear the differences. You would need extensive sound listening training to learn to hear the sounds you are presently "deaf" to. This is the same condition that the Koreans who made the current government transliteration system suffer from.
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