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Jane
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 Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: Nationalism vs Patriotism |
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After spending some time in Mexico a few years ago, I was really impressed by how much Mexicans are proud of who they are.
Then, it occurred to me a few days ago, in my time in Korea, I have yet to hear a Korean say they are proud of being Korean.
Has anyone on this forum ever heard a Korean pronounce their sincere gratefulness for being Korean? I'm not talking about 'korea #1!' or 'urinara' stuff nor any nationalistic stuff like that, either. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I heard this sort of sentiment from one of my former economics professors some time ago.
Being a man in his 70's, he has lived through the times when Korea was dirt poor and a starving nation. He was proud of the fact that in such a short time, Korea has grown to be so much more than its former self.
He would be the first to admit Korea has problems like every other nation, but very proud to have been one of the people who helped build Korea to what it is today.
His pride in his country comes not because it is "his" country, but because of the improvement that Korea has experienced over the past 50 years. |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Difficult question, can't even say whether it is necessarily a valid one either. But I've never heard a Korean proclaim their pride in being Korean without simultaneously denigrating other countries. Then again, national pride more often than not seems to go hand in hand with being proud of what you are not. Which is why it's always a faulty concept.
I can however say that Korean pride is always tempered with an all to ready willingness to get the hell out of Korea. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Nationalism vs Patriotism |
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| Jane wrote: |
After spending some time in Mexico a few years ago, I was really impressed by how much Mexicans are proud of who they are.
Then, it occurred to me a few days ago, in my time in Korea, I have yet to hear a Korean say they are proud of being Korean.
Has anyone on this forum ever heard a Korean pronounce their sincere gratefulness for being Korean? I'm not talking about 'korea #1!' or 'urinara' stuff nor any nationalistic stuff like that, either. |
Maybe they're proud of "being" mexican becuase the government is shit...rather than say I'm proud to be from mexico.
I've found fillipinos also like to do this online....it only takes one to say "we rock" before 10-20 other philipinos start chanting similar statements(Online gaming and websites). |
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exit86
Joined: 17 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Imagine that you see the world in hierarchically related terms; all things are ranked along some type of line: people, places, cars, buildings,
plants, books, universities, and countries.
Now, imagine you are from a country that will never-ever be #1 on
the hierarchy that you yourself created. Imagine that your university will never be #1 on your list. Imagine that the part of the nation that you come from will never be #1. Imagine that your family name will never be #1. Imagine that you know fully that you will never ever come close to being #1 or #2 or even #3 on all the lists you instinctively create for your world.
This is why true patriotism is hard to come by and nationalism is a f'ing disease in Korea. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| exit86 wrote: |
Imagine that you see the world in hierarchically related terms; all things are ranked along some type of line: people, places, cars, buildings,
plants, books, universities, and countries.
Now, imagine you are from a country that will never-ever be #1 on
the hierarchy that you yourself created. Imagine that your university will never be #1 on your list. Imagine that the part of the nation that you come from will never be #1. Imagine that your family name will never be #1. Imagine that you know fully that you will never ever come close to being #1 or #2 or even #3 on all the lists you instinctively create for your world.
This is why true patriotism is hard to come by and nationalism is a f'ing disease in Korea. |
That's not patriotism, it's competitiveness. |
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ryoga013
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, i heard some of the kids say they were proud... then they said "Aprika dirtyyyy" when I asked them why are they not happy they are from another country?.  |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
I heard this sort of sentiment from one of my former economics professors some time ago.
Being a man in his 70's, he has lived through the times when Korea was dirt poor and a starving nation. He was proud of the fact that in such a short time, Korea has grown to be so much more than its former self.
He would be the first to admit Korea has problems like every other nation, but very proud to have been one of the people who helped build Korea to what it is today.
His pride in his country comes not because it is "his" country, but because of the improvement that Korea has experienced over the past 50 years. |
Why anyone would be proud of what other people have accomplished, just because they happen to share the same passport, is beyond me.
Nationalism = bad
Patriotism = good
What characteristics define each, however, is entirely up to your perspective. |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| exit86 wrote: |
Now, imagine you are from a country that will never-ever be #1 on
the hierarchy that you yourself created.
This is why true patriotism is hard to come by and nationalism is a f'ing disease in Korea. |
Quoted for truthfullness. I would only add that though they didn't necessarily create it they do play right into it, and that's just as bad. |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| exit86 wrote: |
Imagine that you see the world in hierarchically related terms; all things are ranked along some type of line: people, places, cars, buildings,
plants, books, universities, and countries.
Now, imagine you are from a country that will never-ever be #1 on
the hierarchy that you yourself created. Imagine that your university will never be #1 on your list. Imagine that the part of the nation that you come from will never be #1. Imagine that your family name will never be #1. Imagine that you know fully that you will never ever come close to being #1 or #2 or even #3 on all the lists you instinctively create for your world.
This is why true patriotism is hard to come by and nationalism is a f'ing disease in Korea. |
That's not patriotism, it's competitiveness. |
...and neuroses. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| in_seoul_2003 wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| exit86 wrote: |
Imagine that you see the world in hierarchically related terms; all things are ranked along some type of line: people, places, cars, buildings,
plants, books, universities, and countries.
Now, imagine you are from a country that will never-ever be #1 on
the hierarchy that you yourself created. Imagine that your university will never be #1 on your list. Imagine that the part of the nation that you come from will never be #1. Imagine that your family name will never be #1. Imagine that you know fully that you will never ever come close to being #1 or #2 or even #3 on all the lists you instinctively create for your world.
This is why true patriotism is hard to come by and nationalism is a f'ing disease in Korea. |
That's not patriotism, it's competitiveness. |
...and neuroses. |
Yeah.
I hate fair-weather patriotism. So many Americans freak out and talk about abandoning ship when the economy looks a little ugly or the guy they voted for loses. So many Canadians are only patriotic when they're drinking beer. If you're a true patriot, you love your country for better or for worse; you cheer for your team even when they're losing. |
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