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NAVFC
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Ya-ta Boy
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This was first announced a couple of weeks ago, then rather mysteriously (to me at least) disappeared.
I can tell you that the US is more concerned with the missile that can reach Alaska; the South is more concerned with the possibility of smaller missiles launched from the west coast that might land inside the territorial waters of the South and constitute an attack on them. |
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: |
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This was first announced a couple of weeks ago, then rather mysteriously (to me at least) disappeared.
I can tell you that the US is more concerned with the missile that can reach Alaska; the South is more concerned with the possibility of smaller missiles launched from the west coast that might land inside the territorial waters of the South and constitute an attack on them. |
Indeed.. come that day, (which I believe will be March 8th when the North Korean People's General assembly meets..NK has a habit of doing these tests on days of significance) I wonder how the North Koreans will react should we down one of their missiles.. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This was first announced a couple of weeks ago, then rather mysteriously (to me at least) disappeared.
I can tell you that the US is more concerned with the missile that can reach Alaska; the South is more concerned with the possibility of smaller missiles launched from the west coast that might land inside the territorial waters of the South and constitute an attack on them. |
Indeed.. come that day, (which I believe will be March 8th when the North Korean People's General assembly meets..NK has a habit of doing these tests on days of significance) I wonder how the North Koreans will react should we down one of their missiles.. |
..or if the US misses. |
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This was first announced a couple of weeks ago, then rather mysteriously (to me at least) disappeared.
I can tell you that the US is more concerned with the missile that can reach Alaska; the South is more concerned with the possibility of smaller missiles launched from the west coast that might land inside the territorial waters of the South and constitute an attack on them. |
Indeed.. come that day, (which I believe will be March 8th when the North Korean People's General assembly meets..NK has a habit of doing these tests on days of significance) I wonder how the North Koreans will react should we down one of their missiles.. |
..or if the US misses. |
We won't. There are several oppourtunities to hit it, but the BMDS system on the Aegis cruiser will likely get it in its boost phase.
SPY-2A Radar combined with the SM4 missile and its related fire control systems? good luck getting a crap-o-dong 2 past that. |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| You might as well be speaking Swahili to me. But I'll take your word for it. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This was first announced a couple of weeks ago, then rather mysteriously (to me at least) disappeared.
I can tell you that the US is more concerned with the missile that can reach Alaska; the South is more concerned with the possibility of smaller missiles launched from the west coast that might land inside the territorial waters of the South and constitute an attack on them. |
Indeed.. come that day, (which I believe will be March 8th when the North Korean People's General assembly meets..NK has a habit of doing these tests on days of significance) I wonder how the North Koreans will react should we down one of their missiles.. |
..or if the US misses. |
We won't. There are several oppourtunities to hit it, but the BMDS system on the Aegis cruiser will likely get it in its boost phase.
SPY-2A Radar combined with the SM4 missile and its related fire control systems? good luck getting a crap-o-dong 2 past that. |
Explain, plz. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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NAVFC: those naval systems are set up for ship, namely carrier, defense, I understand. Part of a carrier group's in-depth defense. Yes, Aegis cruisers make a solid weapons platform. They also engage in offensive ops -- missile attacks. But I did not know they could intercept ICBMs.
Apparently they hit one in space under test conditions last year. Very interesting. I remain doubtful that we could stop a long-range ICBM, however.
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| April 27, 2007: In a first-of-its-kind dual missile defense test yesterday, Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) cruiser USS Lake Erie (CG 70) demonstrated simultaneous ship engagements against both cruise and ballistic missile targets. The interceptors included an SM-3 Block IA missile, which destroyed a short-range ballistic missile target in space while an SM-2 Block IIIA engaged a cruise missile threat at a lower altitude...[my emphasis] |
Defense Update
Should North Korea develop and then demonstrate the capability to hit the western United States, I would say that would change East Asian affairs and United-States East Asian relations immediately. |
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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NAVFC: those naval systems are set up for ship, namely carrier, defense, I understand. Part of a carrier group's in-depth defense. Yes, Aegis cruisers make a solid weapons platform. They also engage in offensive ops -- missile attacks. But I did not know they could intercept ICBMs.
Apparently they hit one in space under test conditions last year. Very interesting. I remain doubtful that we could stop a long-range ICBM, however.
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| April 27, 2007: In a first-of-its-kind dual missile defense test yesterday, Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) cruiser USS Lake Erie (CG 70) demonstrated simultaneous ship engagements against both cruise and ballistic missile targets. The interceptors included an SM-3 Block IA missile, which destroyed a short-range ballistic missile target in space while an SM-2 Block IIIA engaged a cruise missile threat at a lower altitude...[my emphasis] |
Defense Update
Should North Korea develop and then demonstrate the capability to hit the western United States, I would say that would change East Asian affairs and United-States East Asian relations immediately. |
They, they can intercept ICBMs.
Many Aegis platforms were upgraded with a new BMDS missile systems suite, which employs and upgraded SPY radar as well as the SM-4 missile system. These care capable of intercepting missiles in the boost phase, that is if an Aegis weapon ship
such as an Aegis Cruiser or Aegis Destroyer equipped with the BMDS platform is parked off North Korea and they should launch a missile, the BMDS system if active could paint the target and fire an SM-4 missile, hitting and destroying the Taepodong 2. |
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
This was first announced a couple of weeks ago, then rather mysteriously (to me at least) disappeared.
I can tell you that the US is more concerned with the missile that can reach Alaska; the South is more concerned with the possibility of smaller missiles launched from the west coast that might land inside the territorial waters of the South and constitute an attack on them. |
Indeed.. come that day, (which I believe will be March 8th when the North Korean People's General assembly meets..NK has a habit of doing these tests on days of significance) I wonder how the North Koreans will react should we down one of their missiles.. |
..or if the US misses. |
We won't. There are several oppourtunities to hit it, but the BMDS system on the Aegis cruiser will likely get it in its boost phase.
SPY-2A Radar combined with the SM4 missile and its related fire control systems? good luck getting a crap-o-dong 2 past that. |
Explain, plz. |
See my response to gopher. However in addition to that the missile defense systems are multi tiered so that even if the Aegis BMDS missile systems miss, we still have a chance with other assets, such as the ground based interceptor missiles. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| ...if an Aegis weapon ship such as an Aegis Cruiser or Aegis Destroyer equipped with the BMDS platform is parked off North Korea and they should launch a missile, the BMDS system if active could paint the target and fire an SM-4 missile, hitting and destroying the Taepodong-2. |
This would mean tasking multiple satellites and deploying a substantial Cold-War-style American naval force, obviously with antisubmarine capabilities, to the Korean peninsula and the Sea of Japan, indefinitely.
What is Beijing's position on the North Korean situation these days...? |
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NAVFC
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
| ...if an Aegis weapon ship such as an Aegis Cruiser or Aegis Destroyer equipped with the BMDS platform is parked off North Korea and they should launch a missile, the BMDS system if active could paint the target and fire an SM-4 missile, hitting and destroying the Taepodong-2. |
This would mean tasking multiple satellites and deploying a substantial Cold-War-style American naval force, obviously with antisubmarine capabilities, to the Korean peninsula and the Sea of Japan, indefinitely.
What is Beijing's position on the North Korean situation these days...? |
No, you wouldnt need a cold war era force to do this.
A single aegis ship equipped with BMDS could do the job. (as illustrated by the USS Lake Erie)
The radar used in the BMDS package of the missile defense system is powerful enough to monitor the missile on its way up, and the fire control director can easily paint it.
However the US does not rely on a single ship, and the US missile shield is a multi tiered defense system with Aegis BMDS ships only playing one of the parts, the others by ground based interceptors and so forth.
Beijing just wants the North Koreans to quit being a thorn in their side.
A great analogy for it, is how if you go out with a group of friends drinking, usually said groups always have one guy who is a very disturbed drunk, and when the group has imbibed themselves, have to spend alot of time restraining that one individual, which angers the group as a whole.
The Chinese even have a contigency plan, should it become necessary, to send troops into North Korea.
However I am mystified by the fact that Beijing doesn't seem to have raised any alarm over the taepodong situation.
If my prediction is correct, and they do indeed launch the missile on march 8th, the second week of march could be interesting. |
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samcheokguy
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| I can't imagine North Korea surviving this recession. With no money for food. or energy aid, less demand for drugs, and a pissed off China, they're sinking fast. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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However I am mystified by the fact that Beijing doesn't seem to have raised any alarm over the taepodong situation.
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I can't find the article I read a few weeks ago, but it said something like 'all northeast Asian nations agreed' to the US plan to knock out the missile. Assuming the reporter wasn't just making that up and that the governments of the states involved did agree, that would include China. China can't possibly be happy about any neighboring country developing a missile that could hit all of China. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Apparently they hit one in space under test conditions last year. Very interesting. I remain doubtful that we could stop a long-range ICBM, however.
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| April 27, 2007: In a first-of-its-kind dual missile defense test yesterday, Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) cruiser USS Lake Erie (CG 70) demonstrated simultaneous ship engagements against both cruise and ballistic missile targets. The interceptors included an SM-3 Block IA missile, which destroyed a short-range ballistic missile target in space while an SM-2 Block IIIA engaged a cruise missile threat at a lower altitude...[my emphasis] |
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Wasn't that the test in which the missile was equipped with a transmitter so the interceptor could hone in on it?
Any such retaliation is easily defeated by launching multiple dummies, no? |
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