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Why Skilled Immigrants Are Leaving the U.S.

 
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Why Skilled Immigrants Are Leaving the U.S. Reply with quote

This is a good article on an important topic.

"Earlier research by my team suggested that a crisis was brewing because of a burgeoning immigration backlog. At the end of 2006, more than 1 million skilled professionals (engineers, scientists, doctors, researchers) and their families were in line for a yearly allotment of only 120,000 permanent resident visas. The wait time for some people ran longer than a decade. In the meantime, these workers were trapped in "immigration limbo." If they changed jobs or even took a promotion, they risked being pushed to the back of the permanent residency queue. We predicted that skilled foreign workers would increasingly get fed up and return to countries like India and China where the economies were booming.

Why should we care? Because immigrants are critical to the country's long-term economic health. Despite the fact that they constitute only 12% of the U.S. population, immigrants have started 52% of Silicon Valley's technology companies and contributed to more than 25% of our global patents. They make up 24% of the U.S. science and engineering workforce holding bachelor's degrees and 47% of science and engineering workers who have PhDs. Immigrants have co-founded firms such as Google (NasdaqGS:GOOG - News), Intel (NasdaqGS:INTC - News), eBay (NasdaqGS:EBAY - News), and Yahoo! (NasdaqGS:YHOO - News)."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20090303/bs_bw/feb2009tc20090228990934

Obviously we can't solve the homesickness problem, but surely we can make the country more competitive by improving the immigration process. That bit about suffering if they get promoted is just stupid policy.
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Robot_Teacher



Joined: 18 Feb 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's not easy for them as it's not easy for born American citizens either. I know what it's like to be a bored and lonesome stranger in a strange land as many of you do too.

I say we (America) should start hiring, employing, and utilizing American born people first who can be trained and employed if given the chance and definitely those who put themselves through schools to get qualified. Let foreigners go home by indirectly encouraging them to go home. US companies sold us out by selling vital core competencies to the Chinese, Indians, and others by sending factories over and then employing said foreigners within the US for home operations while saying NO to Americas college graduates. This is not right and is unethical when you got Uncle Sam putting millions through college through the guaranteed student loan program with the intention of gainfully employing them for the economic health of the country and families while selling the idea of education leads to opportunities for personal and professional growth that also contributes and gives back to the country.

It's not like hiring only a few foreigners to do a job locals are not qualified to do such as teaching a language, the US employs millions of foreigners to do everything from cooking to accounting to management while America has a huge glut of native underemployed trained and skilled professionals seeking career opportunities who are coming up empty handed.

The country's leaders sold us out. Go home foreigners until there's a glut of jobs needing filled.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robot apparently missed the point of the article.
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aquaponics08



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The skilled, legal ones AREN'T the problem!
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Robot apparently missed the point of the article.


Yes, it would seem so. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I would agree if someone said we waste a huge amount of native-born talent by not up-grading our public school system and working on the kind of social problems that lead to drop outs.
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buymybook



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Robot apparently missed the point of the article.


You do know that there can be another side to articles other than what is said. What's his name from Microsoft/Gates is all for these H-1B workers, that doesn't mean everyone is. There's also the argument that H-1B workers are used because they are more often than not paid less than the American worker. I agree with Robot, start educating Americans to do those jobs if they supposedly aren't qualified.
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Robot_Teacher



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We apologize that our robot is not functioning up to snuff. (just smacked it's head around for throwing the baby out with the bathwater while I was teaching the little ones) It malfunctioned today with off topic ideas irrelevant to the subject matter. Shocked Do not discard something valuable in your eagerness to get rid of some useless thing associated with it.

The article claims immigrants are having an unecessarily tough time with a limited alloted number of immigrant visas, only covering 10% of these professionals, and argues that the US needs these immigrant foreigners for the economic good of the country. In my observations, foreigners in America are among the most industrious and entrepreneurial bunch. Taking a trip to Asian countries enlightens us more on why this is so. You'd be surprised what they can do with only a 100CC Honda Dream and $1000 to invest with only a bit of rice to feed their family each day.

They use practical common sense and start out very small to build up to actually achieving a full fledged company or practice. I'll admit they do work very hard as it's not a free gold paved road for them in the land of milk and honey like many Americans think. The only ones getting an easy walk down the gold paved road are those Americans inheriting big money and then usually they're not happy, open minded, outgoing, nor motivated to contribute anything.

Give it up to the foreigners adding value to the American economy by starting companies no one else is taking on the risk to start. The skilled legal advanced professional immigrants are not the problem; the companies hiring illegals to be cheapy about it are the problem. The real problem in my eyes are American CEO's, government and corporations, but that's a whole different can of worms.

Uh, next time, I'll have to keep a better eye on that Asimo unit. Idea
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buymybook wrote:
There's also the argument that H-1B workers are used because they are more often than not paid less than the American worker.


If that's true in any case, then the employer is breaking the law. There's a long process which includes written assurances by employers to the gov't that such workers will be paid what an American worker is paid.

Its just not true that foreigners can compete with Americans for jobs if Americans have the training. Employers have to wait until April to apply for H-1B visas, and since the quota is at 65,000, its filled up within that month. Foreigners have to have a job lined up before they get the visa. It could not be more difficult for foreigners to get a job in the U.S., and yet they do. Why? Not enough qualified Americans in the sciences right now.

Lastly, the focus of this article is on the employment-based immigration path, not on the H-1B visa mess. If immigrants are in the U.S. waiting for their green card, they're probably only a non-immigrant on an H-1B visa.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buymybook wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:
Robot apparently missed the point of the article.


You do know that there can be another side to articles other than what is said. What's his name from Microsoft/Gates is all for these H-1B workers, that doesn't mean everyone is. There's also the argument that H-1B workers are used because they are more often than not paid less than the American worker. I agree with Robot, start educating Americans to do those jobs if they supposedly aren't qualified.


1. I'm aware that there can be another side to an article.
2. Robot didn't say start educating Americans to do those jobs. He argued that companies hire non-Americans to replace qualified ones. Had he sad what you did, that we should pour resources into education to make Americans qualified, I would have been in agreement (and it looks like Ya-ta might have have as well).

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mployers have to wait until April to apply for H-1B visas, and since the quota is at 65,000, its filled up within that month. Foreigners have to have a job lined up before they get the visa. It could not be more difficult for foreigners to get a job in the U.S., and yet they do. Why? Not enough qualified Americans in the sciences right now.


Exactly. And if you include the Advanced degree quota, the total is 85,000. WOW, scary!
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