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bassexpander
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 Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: Bus beheader decision shocks/upsets Canadians |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,505166,00.html
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WINNIPEG, Manitoba � A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness. The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim McLean said Li got away with murder.
"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife, slicing up my child."
Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and dismembered his body last July while horrified passengers fled.
Justice John Scurfield said the attack was "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."
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"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong," Scurfield said.
Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because he had schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was evil.
Li will be institutionalized without a criminal record and reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he is fit for release.
DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous and Li should be locked up for the rest of his life.
That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.
Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.
Passengers fled and stood outside as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.
Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.
Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.
A psychiatrist called by the prosecution testified that Li cut up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and take revenge.
After the trial, government prosecutor Joyce Dalmyn said people who are mentally ill should not be treated, not convicted, when they don't know what they did was wrong.
Li's lawyer, Alan Libman, said, "Mr. Li advised me after court that he's going to work with his treatment team because it's his desire to get better."
McLean's family says they will fight the law that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a minimum jail sentence. |
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Chet Wautlands
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a sad situation. He'll be locked up for the rest of his life in a hospital. I don't really feel that he's getting off free. Poor family... imagine if this happened to someone in your family. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Mentally ill? Didn't see that one coming! |
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Kuros
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espoir
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life and I dont see him ever rejoining society again........even still I feel horrible for the family. I remember reading the article when this first happened in canada and was completely shocked and appalled. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life and I dont see him ever rejoining society again........even still I feel horrible for the family. I remember reading the article when this first happened in canada and was completely shocked and appalled. |
Horrible for the family? He's going where he belongs and he got what he deserved. |
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Zantetsuken
Joined: 21 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Damn....Canada's citizenry has to pick up the tab for his medications, food, clothing, toiletries, linen laundering etc for the next 20-30 odd years. 나이스 |
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Chet Wautlands
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Zantetsuken wrote: |
| Damn....Canada's citizenry has to pick up the tab for his medications, food, clothing, toiletries, linen laundering etc for the next 20-30 odd years. 나이스 |
Would be the same if he was in prison. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Chet Wautlands wrote: |
| Zantetsuken wrote: |
| Damn....Canada's citizenry has to pick up the tab for his medications, food, clothing, toiletries, linen laundering etc for the next 20-30 odd years. 나이스 |
Would be the same if he was in prison. |
BUT would he get the same hard core experimental looney bird meds?
WooHoo~! |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Zantetsuken wrote: |
| Damn....Canada's citizenry has to pick up the tab for his medications, food, clothing, toiletries, linen laundering etc for the next 20-30 odd years. 나이스 |
For a second I read that as "Dave's citizenry." |
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espoir
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life and I dont see him ever rejoining society again........even still I feel horrible for the family. I remember reading the article when this first happened in canada and was completely shocked and appalled. |
Horrible for the family? He's going where he belongs and he got what he deserved. |
Well obviously the family doesn't think this is justice and so I feel bad that they have to continue to suffer, even though I do agree with the decision of the judge.
it's called empathy racetraitor, you should try it some time. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Why does it matter if he "appreciates" what he did?! If he is that far gone, put him down. We'd do it to a dog, and we should do it to this vomit too. I'll gladly volunteer to chop off his head myself. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life |
Only as long as he's locked up. If they ever deem his schizophrenia is manageable with meds, they'll let him go. Then he'll go off the meds (because you can't force him to take them) and kill someone else. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| espoir wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life and I dont see him ever rejoining society again........even still I feel horrible for the family. I remember reading the article when this first happened in canada and was completely shocked and appalled. |
Horrible for the family? He's going where he belongs and he got what he deserved. |
Well obviously the family doesn't think this is justice and so I feel bad that they have to continue to suffer, even though I do agree with the decision of the judge.
it's called empathy racetraitor, you should try it some time. |
So would they be happier if he was sentenced to a life in prison rather than a mental institution? Doesn't really seem like there's much difference. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| espoir wrote: |
| Yea he'll be heavily medicated for the rest of his life |
Only as long as he's locked up. If they ever deem his schizophrenia is manageable with meds, they'll let him go. Then he'll go off the meds (because you can't force him to take them) and kill someone else. |
<nods> That happens frequently. The only way to prevent a recurrence and to see justice done is execution. |
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