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dmbfan
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I would be willing to be that the Chinese guy found out his galpla was fooling around with the Canuck.
Also....I really don't know too many Chinese who actually beleive in God.
The guy played the system.....in my opinioin.
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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That's a big if. Your response is not logical. Clearly, the poster does not believe that the man can be 'cured'. So argue this point instead of playing holier/more sophisticated than thou and putting words in others mouths like a pompous a$$.
There is no 'cure' for paranoid schizophrenia! It's all about taking the meds. On another point, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity and not 'found innocent' as you've stated. You can't unspill milk, now can you? |
Oh, get off it! Don't put words into my mouth. I never stated he was found innocent. I stated that he was determined not to be responsible. That determination was made by a court of law.
The poster to whom I responded asserted that the defendant in this case should never be released from monitoring. There have been a number of illnesses previously declared incurable that are now routinely treated and cured. At the moment, there's no cure for schizophrenia; however, there is treatment for it. If the man is treated and is not a danger, why punish him? And if there is a cure in the future, again, why punish him for something for which he was not responsible? That would be like putting you in jail for a robbery I commit.
And I cannot be responsible for another poster refusing to believe that there will never be any cure (or effective treatement) for a mental illness. I tend to view such a refusal as prejudicial towards the whole issue of mental illness. |
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roknroll
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| roknroll wrote: |
That's a big if. Your response is not logical. Clearly, the poster does not believe that the man can be 'cured'. So argue this point instead of playing holier/more sophisticated than thou and putting words in others mouths like a pompous a$$.
There is no 'cure' for paranoid schizophrenia! It's all about taking the meds. On another point, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity and not 'found innocent' as you've stated. You can't unspill milk, now can you? |
Oh, get off it! Don't put words into my mouth. I never stated he was found innocent. I stated that he was determined not to be responsible. That determination was made by a court of law.
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Justice wasn't served? I was under the impression that it's not justice to punish someone for something for which they are not responsible.
The defendant in this case was determined, by law, to be legally insane (which in itself is quite a different thing than what many of the general public consider to be insanity). Thus he was found innocent and the court ordered him to be placed in a secure institution and observed and treated until such time, if ever, that he is found to not constitute a danger to others. |
So, as you can clearly see, you did state that "he was found innocent".
The poster to whom I responded asserted that the defendant in this case should never be released from monitoring. There have been a number of illnesses previously declared incurable that are now routinely treated and cured. At the moment, there's no cure for schizophrenia; however, there is treatment for it.
What illnesses are you talking about? Polio? Chicken Pox? Malaria? Let's stick to mental illness whereby the defendent kills someone and is subsequently 'cured'--give your examples. In contrast, cases such as John Nash Jr. obviously aren't as problematic in that he would be a danger to himself or others. He's struggled with paranoid schizophrenia for over 35 years before he felt he could think rationally again. To my knowledge, he's never harmed himself or others so this is in stark contrast to the individuals who have demonstrated violent tendencies.
If the man is treated and is not a danger, why punish him?
And if there is a cure in the future, again, why punish him for something for which he was not responsible? That would be like putting you in jail for a robbery I commit.
You're now trying to make an argument for hypotheticals that were not addressed by yourself to the poster. You made the accusations of being vengeful and not civilized (presumably, not 'civilized' or 'humane' as yoursefl). So the point of your contention should focus on the likelihood that the defendant can be 'rehabilitated' and not a threat to himself or others.
However, you're not making any convincing argument for your case with simplistic hypotheticals. The poster can simply reply with an equally useless statement like: If he is treated and is still a danger and if there is no cure in the future, why would you ever let him out to slaughter another innocent person?
"That would be like putting you in jail for a robbery I commit."
Clearly a false analogy teetering on the fence of absurdity and desperation.
And I cannot be responsible for another poster refusing to believe that there will never be any cure (or effective treatement) for a mental illness. I tend to view such a refusal as prejudicial towards the whole issue of mental illness. |
How do you know this is how the poster really feels? YOU NEVER DISCUSSED IT. You could have as easily assumed this was a knee-jerk reaction and enquired about your assumptions. Even if the poster really believes the key should be thrown away, it simply means he/she does not agree with you. Have you ever taken a second to think the poster could be correct in this case?
I personally find it 'prejudicial' when people go off on others without providing an iota of evidence related to the argument (the efficacy of rehabilitation, recidivism rates, etc.) but simply rely on barren hypotheticals in the premise of their argument to substantiate the conclusion they favor and then get on their high horse and ride away. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still waiting for you to back up what you said about know how i feel about law.
How is it exactly you know what I'm thiking? |
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Zantetsuken
Joined: 21 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| another human being like it was a steak. |
"It"?
By the way, life imprisonment is far cheaper than capital punishment. |
Yeah man...life inprisonment is much cheaper than a $2.00 bullet. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:01 am Post subject: |
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It certainly looks insane on the face of it.
Look at it this way: if he's placed in a mental institution he can be kept there for as long as the doctors think there's any chance he might be dangerous - might be for life. If it was prison, he might finish his sentence before dying. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| It certainly looks insane on the face of it. |
Most killings look insane to me. |
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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Why does it matter if he "appreciates" what he did?! If he is that far gone, put him down. We'd do it to a dog, and we should do it to this vomit too. I'll gladly volunteer to chop off his head myself. |
I agree. When people hear crap, talk to god, and start killing and eating other people, it's time to end their life. The Son of Sam serial killer was schizophrenic. A dog outside his window told him to kill people. He didn't get a psych ward.
There's a schizo gyopo english teacher in my area who likes to talk to himself, scream for no particular reason, get drunk and do really weird things. If the gas van picked him up tomorrow, I'd be happy my taxes were being put to good use. Eugenics? Anyway.... eating people is bad |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Maybe the beheading was just miscommunication?
Passenger Sitting Next to Chinaman: "Hey, want some head?" |
You're joking about an innocent man who was brutally killed.
You're seriously F&^%$d man. |
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NoExplode
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Maybe the beheading was just miscommunication?
Passenger Sitting Next to Chinaman: "Hey, want some head?" |
You're joking about an innocent man who was brutally killed.
You're seriously F&^%$d man. |
Ok Stabby Lee Stabbs apologist. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| It certainly looks insane on the face of it. |
Most killings look insane to me. |
No, I would say hearing a voice that tells you to kill some random guy, cutting off their head, and *eating* them qualifies as way more insane than the average murder. |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Why does it matter if he "appreciates" what he did?! If he is that far gone, put him down. We'd do it to a dog, and we should do it to this vomit too. I'll gladly volunteer to chop off his head myself. |
100% in agreement |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Justice wasn't served? I was under the impression that it's not justice to punish someone for something for which they are not responsible.
The defendant in this case was determined, by law, to be legally insane (which in itself is quite a different thing than what many of the general public consider to be insanity). Thus he was found innocent and the court ordered him to be placed in a secure institution and observed and treated until such time, if ever, that he is found to not constitute a danger to others. |
How can you say a man is not responsible for his own actions? If a man commits wrongful actions, then of course his thoughts are wrong. If I murder a man, then in a certain sense I am insane, because no clear-thinking man should murder. That a man thinks so wrongfully as to believe he should murder a strange and behead him just not excuse his wrongful action.
Such insanity is not an excuse: it is a danger to everyone.
Now as to the courts. The law is not always correct. It is after all made by men. Nor is the law always a reflection of society. A study from 2001 found that 52% support capital punishment and 43% oppose it. [url] http://www.legermarketing.com/documents/SPCLM/010917ENG.pdf [/url] I do not know exactly why support has fallen in the last decades, but despite that trend the majority still support capital punishment. |
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Biblethumper
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Busan, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Whoso sheddeth the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| NoExplode wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| NoExplode wrote: |
Maybe the beheading was just miscommunication?
Passenger Sitting Next to Chinaman: "Hey, want some head?" |
You're joking about an innocent man who was brutally killed.
You're seriously F&^%$d man. |
Ok Stabby Lee Stabbs apologist. |
So you make fun of an innocent murder victim - someone who was killed in an extremely brutal way, and the best you can do it to call me names when called on it??
| Privateer wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Privateer wrote: |
| It certainly looks insane on the face of it. |
Most killings look insane to me. |
No, I would say hearing a voice that tells you to kill some random guy, cutting off their head, and *eating* them qualifies as way more insane than the average murder. |
Sure, but that wasn't my point. I wasn't trying to say that one murder seemed more insane than another, simply that most seemed insane to me. |
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