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[J.B. Clamence]

[happeningthang]

Yeh I hear you JB it is seemingly self contradictory. All I'm trying to say is that I, and, I'm willing to guess pretty much all of the posters in here, have no idea about Andie's abilities regardless of how he represents himself. If Andie takes the dodgy option of the fake degree then he is a fraud no question.

But practicing fraudulently doesn't neccesarily mean that he is unprofessional at the JOB!! It's just a distinction between ability, and accreditation. Having a degree, and being a native speaker doesn't mean you or I will be a better ESL teacher than anyone else be it Andie, or the guy you sat next to on the bus yesterday.

I'm working now in a job that usually requires a two year diploma as a minimum requirement. Myself, and a co-worker don't have this qualification, and we are probably two of the better workers compared to those doing the same job with the qualification. Well that's how I see it . I'm sure they might disagree, but my point is that I have no problem performing the same duties to the same standard, or possibly higher.

And before anyone makes a running leap onto their high horse..... there was no deceit involved in getting the job. Mine was awarded based on experience and ability. I worked my way up, others studied for the bit of paper. But we all got to the same place. A bit of paper proves little about a person's abilities. At best it's an indication and little else.

Spade a spade... Andie is cheating pure and simple if he goes ahead, and it'll catch up with him sooner or later.

Hope that clarifies what I'm trying to say.

Cheers

[just because]

Does anybody know if he got a job here???? There is a lot of talk about Andie but nobody knows what happened to him. it would be interesting to know what hagwon he got a job at??
SISA, Wonderland, Korea Herald, lots of places I suppose.

[happeningthang]

Yeh Andie update us!!

And since it's such a hot topic does anyone know of (or are brave enough to admit to..) teachers working in Korea with a fake degree?

I've heard the second hand stories of people working in Japan with fake degrees. Is Japan a softer target for this sort of practice?

[just because]

I know of two personally. basically the recruiter set the whole thing up and he pays off immigration and bingo, 2 new teachers.
They are not bad people and work just as hard as anyone i know. i think a lot of people here are protective of what they have earnt(and rightly so) so get a little angry about cheaters I suppose.

[J.B. Clamence]

[The Man known as The Man]

[happeningthang]

Hey again...

BJ you're dead right there, and please don't anyone think I was making an appeal for some sort of 'professional' recognition for Andie, and his antics.

Someone out there has a signature saying that, 'excellence is living every moment with integrity' (or something similar), but that's something I agree with, and one of the reasons I belive that Andie will get his bum bitten if goes ahead with it.

As so many posters have pointed out the quality of Andie's posts are lacking in professionalism, as is this 'career move' of his, and his choice to blithely announce it to everyone here in Dave's.

As my Dad used to say, (over and over) Andie needs to take a good hard look at himself. I guess that's what I was getting at in my original post. When I say "Good luck to him", I'm implying that he'll need it.

Anyway blah, blah de blah!! Enough of this... I'm going out for a drink, I'll have one for you all.

Cheers!!

[The Man known as The Man]

[ffl007]

E-mail me if you need a job. PM me rather.

[TheUrbanMyth]

[just because]

I sure would want to piss off TMKATM.
Andie, did you ever come to Korea????

[Cheyne]

TMKATM - Dude....let it fucken go....

Yes it has helped me....

[The Man known as The Man]