Korean Job Discussion Forums

[Voyeur]

What are these guys smoking? It is like they have zero sense of what politics are about - or even reality.

Why are they atacking F-2 VISA holders? Yes, in *theory* it is fair if the same rules apply to all foreigners. But in *PRACTICE* all that can result is that the more stringent rules applied to one group be applied to all. This kind of all-in brinksmanship will NEVER result in Korea folding and saying "okay, we will apply the less strict rules to all foreigners". So it is a WASTE of time and energy that can only hurt some of the people ATEK is said to represent, while never helping any of them.

Next, they put articles in the paper focusing on eliminating background checks with completely bogus arguments like it is unconstitutional. W T F??!! We aren't Koreans. That is why we need the VISA in the first place. Demanding the same rights as Koreans smacks of White Imperialism and the East is just a little sensitive to that. An argument about how excessively onerous red-tape makes it hard for Koreans to find candidates to fill essential jobs would be much better received. Don't try to elimitae background checks - just make the process easier. Get us more control over our own VISAs etc...

Then, ATEK publishes a guidebook that INSULTS Korea on the front cover. This is certifiably insane.

The Hogwon association is laughing now knowing that the Ministry will back them to the wall given how angry and insulted ATEK has probably made Koreans.

This is madness. We need to create a new group who's sole purpose is to get out the message that ATEK doesn't represent most English teachers.

/end rant

[Yu_Bum_suk]

I can admire some of their efforts, but they're just barking up all the wrong trees. Foreigners in Korea should have the same basic *human* rights as everyone else - to free speech, freedom of association, etc. However, we are not entitled the same employment rights just as Koreans aren't in our home countries.

WHY can't they focus instead on getting immigration to keep a record of everyone who's already got a CBC and has hence resided in Korea, so that we don't need to get one every bloody year. I'd contribute generously to such a cause, but quite frankly I WANT every incoming FT to have one so that I know that I'm not working with any criminals hiding a past like Mark McDowell.

[Voyeur]

AFAIK you can renew and even change jobs without leaving the country or getting a new CBC now. Or are you saying doing that is risky because IMMI might "forget" you had your CBC last year, so while technically doable, if you don't get your new CBC each year you run the risk of getting screwed?

[Yu_Bum_suk]

[Voyeur]

My company said I can swap branches (and technially employers) without a new CBC...maybe I should get one to cover my butt. Thanks.

[Yu_Bum_suk]

[TheUrbanMyth]

According to ttompatz (one of the saner and more level-headed posters) this is what Immigration does.

As long as you are working for the same employer (same visa), you do not need a new CBC.

If you change employers you will need a new CBC.

Then again we all know how capricious and inconsistent Immigration is, and with these new rules that MAY be coming in...who knows?

[polonius]

I hate to keep taking this off topic, but, I hired someone who had submitted a CRC with the Mokdong IMMI, he worked 4 months for that company. He did not need to submit one when we got his visa issuance number. We submitted everything else to the Sejogno IMMI. He went on a visa run.

SO, I think it is a up to the descretion of each IMMI office. I hear that Busan is really strict.

Back on Topic.

I really doubt that IMMI or MOJ is going to listen to what a bunch of foreigners say.

"These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along."

[blade]

I recently transferred from EPIK to GEPIK and didn't need to submit new a CRC to immigration.

[Draz]

[wylies99]

[adamosity]

You've picked the wrong battle though.

In fact, this is the worst possible battle I think they could have chosen.

Let's try to clean up the scummy hogwan owners and other system cheating before we worry about the checks.

Frankly, I approve of the checks. Yes, they should apply to others, but arguing that we shouldn't have them is lunacy.

I think a far stronger campaign would be against the worst of the worst principals and hogwans which do not treat us as human beings.

That is a battle that you could win!

[Ilsanman]

I always thought of you as one who could actually read. Your response tells me otherwise.

I don't oppose ATEK's overall mission. I oppose their main one. I don't want to get a criminal check. I have nothing to gain from making a check to prove what I already know; that my record is clean.

[T-J]

[FUBAR]

These guys are Hacks! If they really wanted to do something good for the industry, they would be going after all the people teaching on Tourist Visas. They are depressing the wages of all the legal teachers.