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Underwaterbob
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Xuanzang
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Australians make a wild cat stew since those felines are hurting the indigenous animal life population.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6974687.stm
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Marinated moggie was not to everyone's taste. One of the competition judges found the meat impossibly tough and had to politely excuse herself and spit it out in a backroom.
Wild cats are considered good eating by some Aborigines, who roast the animals on an open fire.
This outback cuisine does come with a health warning.
Scientists have said that those eating wild cats could be exposed to harmful bacteria and toxins.
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Jati
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Hahahaha....right. Wikipedia is the final authority on anything.
Underwaterbob, I come from a state that has lots of bears: Grizzly bears, black bears, polar bears, Kodiak brown bears, and some type of black bear that lives on glaciers, thus the name, glacier bears. I'll check with some wildlife biologist friends, but I do believe that while bears may be omnivores, meaning that they are opportunistic feeders, they are really carnivores in that meat is their preferred, and necessary, choice. You can't eat enough blueberries in the short summer season to obtain the body fat required for a long hibernation period.
For example, what do you suppose polar bears eat when they spend the bulk of their life on the Arctic ice floes? In fact, they subsist nearly 100% on seal meat. And, also, when they get in dire straits, a rogue bear will wander into an Inupiat or Yupik village looking for human meat.
Likewise the grizzly. In the spring they are found searching out moose cow-calf pairs for the easy pickings that nearly-born moose calves make. And in the summer, you find them along salmon streams looking for that high-fat fish meal.
So, sorry to say, I think that your source is probably a bit off base in saying that they eat mostly vegetables. Perhaps the mass bulk of fibre comes from vegetable matter, but the bulk of the protein and fat required for their hibernation comes from other animals. Where do they get that fat and protein if they are mostly vegetarians? They're not grazing through fields of soybean.
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Underwaterbob
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greedy_bones
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bears#Diet_.26_Interspecific_Interactions |
Hahahaha....right. Wikipedia is the final authority on anything. |
Wikipedia might not be the final authority on any topic, but their sources tend to be pretty reliable. Just follow the footnotes: http://www.dced.state.ak.us/oed/student_info/learn/bearwatching.htm |
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Jati
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Certainly black bears eat mostly plant material with estimates in the 85-90% range. But that statistic may come from looking at the time spent foraging for plant material versus time spent eating carrion and the occasional killed animal. If you were to tally up the percentage of fats and proteins from plant material versus animal tissue, it might be closer to 50%.
Grizzly bears and polar bears are another matter, however. One week gorging on salmon may store as much fat and protein as a few months of foraging on plant material.
http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Ursus_americanus.html
http://www.mountainnature.com/Wildlife/Bears/BearDiet.htm
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Also, bears are not well adapted to eating plants. They are essentially meat eaters that have adapted to include a wide variety of plants in their diet. They do not have the ability, like the hoofed mammals, to digest cellulose, and so can only make use of the highest quality and most easily digested plant foods.
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/nrc/cjz/2006/00000084/00000003/art00014?crawler=true
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The majority of carbon and nitrogen assimilated by most coastal grizzly bear populations was derived from salmon, while interior populations usually derived a much smaller fraction of their nutrients from salmon, even in areas with relatively large salmon runs. Terrestrial prey was a large part of the diet where ungulates were abundant, with the highest fractions observed in the central Arctic, where caribou (Rangifer tarandus (L., 1758)) were very abundant. Bears in some boreal areas, where moose (Alces alces (L., 1758)) were abundant, also ate a lot of meat.
I think that the OP was talking about eating cat. It was stated that carnivores do not taste that good. What carnivores do humans routinely eat? |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Jati wrote: |
| I think that the OP was talking about eating cat. It was stated that carnivores do not taste that good. What carnivores do humans routinely eat? |
That was the point. We don't routinely eat carnivores, partly because they taste bad, cat included. |
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mole
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Debate team coach on Spring Break?? He's gonna be PIZZed when he returns and sees how you lost handily to the rednecks.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/carnivore
carnivore - 6 results
car⋅ni⋅vore
/ˈkɑrnəˌvɔr, -ˌvoʊr/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kahr-nuh-vawr, -vohr] Show IPA
�noun
1. an animal that eats flesh.
2. a flesh-eating mammal of the order Carnivora, comprising the dogs, cats, bears, seals, and weasels. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Jati wrote: |
| Grizzly bears and polar bears are another matter, however. One week gorging on salmon may store as much fat and protein as a few months of foraging on plant material. |
For what it's worth, my understanding is that it is that a diet consisting heavily or entirely or mammalian flesh is what causes the alleged bad taste in certain carnivorous creatures. I don't think eating fish causes the same problem; many types of fish eat nothing BUT other fish, but we still find them delicious enough. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| mole wrote: |
Debate team coach on Spring Break?? He's gonna be PIZZed when he returns and sees how you lost handily to the rednecks.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/carnivore
carnivore - 6 results
car⋅ni⋅vore
/ˈkɑrnəˌvɔr, -ˌvoʊr/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kahr-nuh-vawr, -vohr] Show IPA
�noun
1. an animal that eats flesh.
2. a flesh-eating mammal of the order Carnivora, comprising the dogs, cats, bears, seals, and weasels. |
We've settled this already.
Using the same site as reference:
omnivore [(om-nuh-vawr)]
An animal whose normal diet includes both plants and animals. Human beings and bears, for instance, are omnivores.
The American Heritage� New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Copyright � 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omnivore |
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mole
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Not settled. But debaters love the last word.
I didn't cite a Cultural Literacy dictionary because this isn't a cultural issue.
It's a taxonomic issue.
"The term is also sometimes applied to the bears, and to certain passerine birds. "
Sometimes "color" is misspelled "colour." That doesn't make it OK.
Honestly, what advantage to you guys get with your critical reasoning skills and back and forth banter? EFL jobs in Korea? |
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Fox
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| mole wrote: |
It's a taxonomic issue.
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No it isn't. What is being discussed here is dietary habit, not taxonomy. The two are different.
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The diverse order Carnivora (IPA: /kɑrˈnɪvərə/ or sometimes /ˌkɑrnɪˈvɔərə/; from Latin carō (stem carn-) "flesh", + vorāre "to devour") includes over 260 species of placental mammals. Its members are formally referred to as carnivorans, while the word "carnivore" (often popularly applied to members of this group) can refer to any meat-eating animal. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivora
The fact that bears are a member of the taxonomic order carnivora makes them carnivorans. Some carnivorans are omnivores:
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The first carnivoran was a carnivore, and nearly all carnivorans today primarily eat meat. Some, such as cats, pinnipeds, and weasels, are obligate carnivores. Others, such as bears, are more omnivorous depending on the local habitat; the Giant Panda is almost exclusively an herbivore but will take fish, eggs and insects, while the Polar Bear's harsh habitat forces it to mainly subsist on prey.
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As you can see, at least one example is given of a member of order Carnivora which is almost entirely herbivorous. A carnivore is carnivorous. A carnivoran can be carnivorous, omnivorous, or even primarily herbivorous.
Regarding any attacks on wikipedia as a source: when tested, wikipedia's error rate was found to be only ~1% higher than Encyclopedia Brittanica's (~3.6% vs ~2.6%). It is clearly a source reliable enough for an internet forum discussion. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| mole wrote: |
Not settled. But debaters love the last word.
I didn't cite a Cultural Literacy dictionary because this isn't a cultural issue.
It's a taxonomic issue.
"The term is also sometimes applied to the bears, and to certain passerine birds. "
Sometimes "color" is misspelled "colour." That doesn't make it OK.
Honestly, what advantage to you guys get with your critical reasoning skills and back and forth banter? EFL jobs in Korea? |
It takes two to back and forth, the question applies to you as well. |
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mole
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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I don't claim any critical reasoning skills. If I had any worthwhile skill at all, I wouldn't have ended up in Korea.
As for carnivorous mammals as food, I've had lots of dog and some whale.
Both tasted yummy.
I just reply to you to see your jazz hands. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, funky. Cha cha-cha cha cha. I swear I can see them move on screen. |
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