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yingwenlaoshi
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 Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:38 am Post subject: That's illegal in Canada |
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Had an adult class tonight where we ended up talking about interviews. One man is a dentist and he hires assistants. Asked him what kind of questions he asks potential candidates and one of them was "Are you married or are you getting married soon?" I quickly said "That's illegal in Canada" very loudly and funnily and the class broke out in laughter.
Not in Korea, it isn't. |
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Chris_Dixon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Not illegal in NZ either...
Christ, there are differences country to country...are you yet to realise this?? |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: |
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No, just thought it was funny. They got a chuckle in class.
There'll be a lot more chuckles before my last day there. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| It's supposedly illegal to ask that in Korea too. Just like many other laws here, that one's also just decoration. |
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Mr. Pink
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I think if women typically got pregnant right after being married in Canada, employers would be justified in asking that question. The reason being, if you are soon to be married, I don't want to train you and not have you working here for a full year.
In Canada they aren't allowed to ask anything of the sort because of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The reality is though, if they hire you and find out something they don't like about you, they can fire you with no questions asked in the first three months of employment. They only have to say, "You weren't working out." So essentially, we waste time and money jumping through hoops to do the same thing Koreans do right away. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink is obviously misstating the legal facts of life in Canada. |
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Draz
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I thought it was funny. 
Keep up the good work, Ying.
Hee hee. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| You could write a book about things that are illegal in Canada but are common occurances over here. |
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Straphanger
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| Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: That's illegal in Canada |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Had an adult class tonight where we ended up talking about interviews. One man is a dentist and he hires assistants. Asked him what kind of questions he asks potential candidates and one of them was "Are you married or are you getting married soon?" I quickly said "That's illegal in Canada" very loudly and funnily and the class broke out in laughter. |
I honestly thought you meant you are gay. |
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Mr. Pink
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Mr. Pink is obviously misstating the legal facts of life in Canada. |
Do tell me Mr. California what exactly have I misstated? Legally, in the first 3 months of employment (unless you have a contract that states otherwise) employers are allowed to fire you for any reason they wish with no notice at all.
In Canada under the Charter, employers are not allowed to discriminate. Other provinces have similar codes as well, such as my province. So if I was told directly that I wasn't being hired because I am married and they want single people, unless that job specifically requires only singles, that is discrimination. However, they would have a hard time telling me they couldn't hire me because I was a fat single. |
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CentralCali
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You answered your own question there, amidst your snideness.
1. Employers cannot fire an employee at any time except for a legal reason. They cannot fire someone for an illegal reason.
2. During employment interviews, an employer who asks about marital status, religious affiliation, or political affiliation is obviously setting grounds for a successful case by the prospective employee.
3. One does not have to wait for the probationary time is completed, nor even to be hired, to seek legal redress for obvious discrimination in the employment process. |
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ED209
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| It's supposedly illegal to ask that in Korea too. Just like many other laws here, that one's also just decoration. |
Korea doesn't have laws, it has 'decorations'. I like it  |
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Scotticus
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Not illegal in NZ either...
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That's a load of shit if I've ever heard one. |
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Mr. Pink
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| CentralCali wrote: |
You answered your own question there, amidst your snideness.
1. Employers cannot fire an employee at any time except for a legal reason. They cannot fire someone for an illegal reason.
2. During employment interviews, an employer who asks about marital status, religious affiliation, or political affiliation is obviously setting grounds for a successful case by the prospective employee.
3. One does not have to wait for the probationary time is completed, nor even to be hired, to seek legal redress for obvious discrimination in the employment process. |
1. The legalities of the employment law are complex, however, the law does state employers can fire a person for any reason within the first 3months. The reason could be you a fat lazy slob. All they have to say is: "It wasn't working out." They have that option. Is this misstating a legal fact of life in Canada? It is pointing out that if an employer wants to discriminate against you in the first 3 months they can and just attribute it to "not working out".
2. This one is a no brainer, and I wasn't stating anything to the contrary. I was stating though my personal belief that women who are pregnant should be obliged to give out that information as being hired and having to leave puts the employer in a position that costs them extra time and money.
3. What do you mean by obvious discrimination? When the employer or representative of the employer mention something discriminatory? I am talking about discrimination that might not be so obvious. Person A goes in to interview for a job, they are fat and ugly. The interviewer is professional and courteous, but realizes they cannot hire this person as the position is one in which customers will see the employee, and the employee needs to resemble the image of the company. Obvious is if the interviewer says flat out we cannot hire you because you do not fit the company image. Discretionary is when the employer sets the interviewee know later that they went with a "more qualified" individual. They use this line all the time, when asked what was more qualified, they either quantify their answer with more experience or more education.
If I am snide, think about why that is. |
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ChinaBoy
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In my home state, we have "employment-at-will". Pretty much anyone can be fired at any time for any "non-discriminatory" reason. Yay.
Somebody just try to convince me big business doesn't own the government. |
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