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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
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 Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject: Use your authority |
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At first, I was just going to be the dispassionate observer--an anthropologist in the bush. I've scrapped that, because I know it'll make me go crazy. So now, I'm forcing the students to obey the rules.
Today I went through the halls and told students who were smoking to take it outside. With a firm, authoritarian voice, I was listened to immediately, except for one student, and I simply took the cigarette out of his hand and threw it out the window.
We might be outsiders to the hierarchy since we're western, but we do have some authority since we're teachers, and I encourage everyone to use it. (I guess this doesn't apply to hagwon teachers, who I guess are just English monkeys.) Tell your kids to obey the rules and be stern with them, and maybe we can help make Korea a better place. |
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Straphanger
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you like... a teacher? Students smoking in the building? You didn't enforce the rule against that? You need to start doing your job. |
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michaelambling
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| None of the other professors do, so I decided to follow their lead. |
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espoir
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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haha my kids dont dare smoke at my school. Smoking equals a month of detentions, no lunch period (they hold a sign as all the other studnest walk past them to lunch saying I am a bad person lol) and a sever beating from the disciplinary teacher. For my school its basically the worst offense they can commit.
But I spent the first two weeks tecahing my kids my rules and haven't really had a problem since. My main one is no phones in class and that one I strictly enforce. So far this week I've collected 8 phones (I hold them for 3 days before I give them back) and I doubt anyone will dare use a phone again in my classes. All it takes is one example to get all the monkeys in line. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH! |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Use your authority |
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| michaelambling wrote: |
At first, I was just going to be the dispassionate observer--an anthropologist in the bush. I've scrapped that, because I know it'll make me go crazy. So now, I'm forcing the students to obey the rules.
Today I went through the halls and told students who were smoking to take it outside. With a firm, authoritarian voice, I was listened to immediately, except for one student, and I simply took the cigarette out of his hand and threw it out the window.
We might be outsiders to the hierarchy since we're western, but we do have some authority since we're teachers, and I encourage everyone to use it. (I guess this doesn't apply to hagwon teachers, who I guess are just English monkeys.) Tell your kids to obey the rules and be stern with them, and maybe we can help make Korea a better place. |
What kind of school is this? High school? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| If it's at a university I wouldn't worry too much about what happens outside my own classroom. |
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harlowethrombey
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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wow kids are smoking in the halls?
at my school (all-girls), the worst thing I see them do is secretly try and hike their skirts up a few centimeters before one of the teachers smacks them with a love stick. |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH! |
LMFAO,
I was just thinking,
How could anyone read this thread and not have responded "respect my authoritay yet?"
As for authority and punishments... I think teachers have lost power over the years... all over the globe. Teachers used to be a valuble respected profession and parents used to sucumb to their requests. Now parents could give a rat's ass and it's reflected in countries world wide. A change for the worse I think for the educational system.
As for us Foreign teachers, I think we need to wield our authority more, and we ABSOLUTELY need people to back us up. Our Korean teachers, principal and VP need to take our authority seriously first, and let foreign teachers understand that they have as much power as all other teachers and that we aren't different. When newbie teachers understand this then we can start acting like real teachers instead of twidling their thumbs asking co-teachers to fix their problems.
This has to be one of the greatest challenges for new SMOE, EPIK and GEKPIK teachers. Really, I think EPIK needs to emphasize authority more than anything to new teachers. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Guys, I think we're talking about at university here. The issue of authority is apples and oranges vs. secondary schools. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| If it's at a university I wouldn't worry too much about what happens outside my own classroom. |
Yeah, but you walk past a kid smoking in the halls, then you get him next semester. You don't care if he smokes in the halls, what do you care if he comes to class late? Turns his work in late? Plagiarizes?
You set the tone. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Use your authority |
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| michaelambling wrote: |
| (I guess this doesn't apply to hagwon teachers, who I guess are just English monkeys.) |
If you think foreign teachers in public schools and universities aren't English monkeys you are delusional. Incidentally, I have heard many a parent say that their children's REAL education happens at the hagwon, and that public schools are largely a waste of time. |
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Aelric
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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This has to be one of the greatest challenges for new SMOE, EPIK and GEKPIK teachers. Really, I think EPIK needs to emphasize authority more than anything to new teachers.[/quote]
I tend to agree. As a Noob here on my first contract, I have to say that the EPIK orientation focused all too much on the sunshine and lollipops of Korea without actually giving all that much useful info. Not that many people even notice, as the teachers turned the hotel into a dorm party (I was at the additional orientation in September.)
If they had let me know the do's and dont's regarding punishment instead of telling me I'd be treated like a king, my first semester could have gone alot smoother. As it stands now, this semester the students are staying in line much better with my stricter policies without losing my "Mr. Nice Guy" vibe once the example has been made.
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Straphanger wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| If it's at a university I wouldn't worry too much about what happens outside my own classroom. |
Yeah, but you walk past a kid smoking in the halls, then you get him next semester. You don't care if he smokes in the halls, what do you care if he comes to class late? Turns his work in late? Plagiarizes?
You set the tone. |
You teach him the hard way that there are unpleasant consequences for being late and plagiarising, but as long as he gets his assignments done you don't care what he does on his own time. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Use your authority |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| If you think foreign teachers in public schools and universities aren't English monkeys you are delusional. |
There are some public schools and, believe it or not, even the odd hagwon where foreign teachers can actually act like teachers. But at university, at least the ones who really, really don't want to be there usually aren't. |
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