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toonchoon

Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:00 am Post subject: Where does all this trash go? |
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| There are a handful of HUGE cities in Korea. Seoul alone produces tons of trash. Where does it all go? |
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tatu

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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: Nanjido |
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| On the way to the airport there is a large mountain/hill that runs for a few kms in length. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjido |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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BS.Dos.

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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| ^You sure about that? I was under the impression it was composted. |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| I thought it was incinerated... |
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sjrm
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| they use it to make kimchiand soju |
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sjrm
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| they use it to make kimchi and soju |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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define "trash".
bottles, tins, paper are recycleables. thems there is money.
the folks who patent the process to reconvert plastics back to petroleum is gonna die rich. |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Location: Robotting Around the World
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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The fish are heavy metaled mostly from China's pollution waste run off into the ocean. All in all, it's one big nasty stinky mess we're creating around the world.
I'm sure the garbage food stuffs is composted and used in farming. They even use those spent round fuel blocks used in BBQ restaurants to create a fake soil rich in nitrogen or add to the soil they have.
Plastics, aluminum, glass, card board, Styrofoam, and steel are recycled and then consumed in the manufacturing industries.
There are landfills for the trash that end up in trash bags such as candy wrappers, plastic bags, and other small things like cigarette butts.
I seriously doubt they're dumping in the ocean as resources are gathered and used in a resource poor country unlike in America where they just put it all in one big trash bag and bury it in a huge landfill.
The burden of gathering all this seems to fall on poor old people pulling rickshaws carts. |
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harlowethrombey

Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Most people dont know, but Korea is actually split into 3 distinct countries. North and South Korea get the most press, but East Korea is less well known.
South Korea simply ships all their trash to East Korea and dumps it on the people living there (who are morlocks I'm told, or, at least Japanese).
It turns out the only way to placate the creatures that live inside the trash in East Korea is to offer them a virgin sacrifice of 'unpure blood' every week. The entire English industry is really just a scam to attract foreigners, especially virginal, tech-heavy Canadians, so they can be sacrificed to keep the garbage monsters happy.
Wonder why the turnover rate at Hagwons is so high? The term '11 month firing' really means their time has come, Logan's Run style. |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Our Oceans Are Not Giant Trash Cans
The London Dumping Convention, concluded in 1972, marks a promise between countries to refrain from disposing of trash or sewage in the ocean. On the website of the convention, it says that South Korea and Japan are responsible for most of the industrial waste dumped into the ocean during the 1990s and that South Korea, Japan and the Philippines are the only countries in the world that discard sewage into the sea.
Since 1988, the Korean government has designated areas in the waters off the coast of Gunsan, Ulsan and Pohang as maritime dumping zones. Since the three zones were legally authorized, the amount of waste has grown from 550,000 cubic meters in 1988 to 7.45 million cubic meters last year, marking a 13.5-fold increase. It makes one wonder whether Korea�s membership in the London Dumping Convention (1993) and the launch of the Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Fisheries (1996) were steps that were taken to pave the way for more trash to be dumped into the ocean.
On top of that, it has been discovered that portions of the dumping zone in waters off the coast of Ulsan were inside Japan�s Exclusive Economic Zone. To put it bluntly, Korea had been dumping its waste in Japanese waters. The Japanese government verified this fact three years ago and lodged a protest. But the Korean government has yet to come up with a solution. This is simply embarrassing.
Most of the waste dumped into the ocean last year was sewage from livestock farms (2.02 million cubic meters), leftover food (1.71 million cubic meters) and urban sewage (1.61 million cubic meters). Half of the soggy, leftover food waste that Korean households separate from dry trash has ended up in the sea. Fish cannot survive if the water Biochemical Oxygen Demand level exceeds five. Sewage from livestock farms that has been dumped into the ocean has contamination levels of between 4,000 to 5,000.
It's no wonder the ocean is suffering considering how much waste is being dumped into it. The Korea Ocean Research & Development Institute surveyed the quality of the water in the maritime dumping zone near Ulsan and found that about 20 percent could not even meet the lowest grade. Last year, the maritime ministry banned fishermen from catching red king crab near the dumping zone off the coast of Pohang. The government threw away waste there and then banned fishermen from harvesting the ocean there.
The reason waste is dumped into the ocean is because doing so involves no handling cost other than transporting it. Burying sewage in the ground costs W37,000 per cubic meter and incinerating it costs W44,000 (US$1=W945). It costs only W14,000 to dump it in the ocean. These are the only factors that are motivating the dumping of waste into the ocean. But such thinking fails to address the reality that dumping waste into the sea pollutes it, which in turn ends up hurting all of us since we consume the fish that live there |
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200802/200802120014.html |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Location: Robotting Around the World
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: |
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That's just crazy as cow paddies make great fertilizer as well as food stuffs like fruit peelings, bones, and discarded things like fish heads.
Of course, it's obvious that all sewer drain/toilet water goes to the ocean as it has no where else to go, but down into the rivers and out to sea. This includes many bad things that destroy habitat.
Of course, the cheapest option is exercised without regard for the consequences later on down the road. I heard that when the Summer rains come, the rivers gush, and people take this as an opportunity as an annual free trash removal service which sends it all out to sea. If you look at many old people's old places, you'll see so much rubbish building up and them burning some of it instead of paying for trash bags, but of course, they're very low income and old school. I'm sure people will dump in the rivers to avoid bag fees.
We all really need to reconsider what we're doing as the land, air, and sea offers a vitally important life support system. |
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yoja
Joined: 30 May 2008
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Panda, wow...I used to have other suspicions, but now I'm starting to think you're just another one of RealReality's socks. Ha ha. So cute that you went tranny this time!
Robot...I was surprised that you think this:
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| it's obvious that all sewer drain/toilet water goes to the ocean as it has no where else to go, but down into the rivers and out to sea |
Have you heard of waste treatment facilities? They're what all the cool kids--make that advanced countries--use to make good on their commitment circa 1972 and ensure that all the sewer sludge isn't just dumped raw into the nearest non-policed body of water and/or hole in the ground. They actually treat the water and remove the environmentally-hazardous toxins. Granted, I doubt it will be awhile before one is set up downstream on the Ganges, but Korea is just being the cheap, lazy ajosshi who gets off seeing what he can get away with. Oh well. Maybe when their fish and king crab start getting mad cow disease, or worse, then there will surely be a way to blame it on other countries and protest importing safer, cheaper alternatives...problem solved! Korea Fighting!~ |
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Thunndarr

Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Many of them eventually get fired and/or deported. Nothing to worry about long term. |
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ryoga013

Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| I thought this was going to be another one of the "where do all the bad teachers go" threads... |
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