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Darashii
Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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My school wasn't in a rush to get my card, but I was, since I couldn't legally get paid until I had my ID #.
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| Like, oh my god. You smoked pot in Thailand? You must be a horrible loser with no hope for a future and an additiction that is uncontrollable. |
Break it down for me then, sweetheart. How do you define whether someone has a problem with drugs? See if you can answer "yes" to the following questions:
1. Have you smoked marijuana in Thailand, knowing that it's illegal, when it is known worldwide that the penalty for many drug offenses in Thailand is death?
2. Have you smoked marijuana so close to a time when you're getting a job that requires a drug test that you're actually worried about failing the test?
3. Have you ever lost a job because of your drug use?
Think really, really hard, jillybean. The OP has a drug problem and needs to get that sorted out. |
That's a rather dramatic assessment. It was a culmination of coincidence and, forgive me Tom, stupidity, not addictive behavior. If he hadn't lost his job, you wouldn't think this way. I'm quite certain it's much less amazing than all that.
Trust me.
Still...roFL.  Tom, you really outdid yourself this time.
And might I recommend you change your username. |
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tombirner
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to some of you for your support. I didn't come on here for sympathy but for advice, but wow, I can't believe how many mean-spirited people are on here... not sure what your problems are, or why you're so eager to see my life screwed up (I mean I understand indifference, but why the hate?), but I'm too dejected and regretful to muster up much in the way of argument.
Anyway, yeah, I screwed up... I don't think any of you know me well enough to judge my intelligence or whether I have a drug problem- honestly, that some of you think you do is more amusing than upsetting. Hopefully things will work out okay and I'll get another visa or a transfer and out of gratitude work hard to return to being a decent, well thought of teacher.
I'll keep y'all posted, just in case anyone runs into this problem somewhere down the road. |
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sobriquet
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Location: Nakatomi Plaza
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to some of you for your support. I didn't come on here for sympathy but for advice, but wow, I can't believe how many mean-spirited people are on here... not sure what your problems are, or why you're so eager to see my life screwed up (I mean I understand indifference, but why the hate?), but I'm too dejected and regretful to muster up much in the way of argument.
Anyway, yeah, I screwed up... I don't think any of you know me well enough to judge my intelligence or whether I have a drug problem- honestly, that some of you think you do is more amusing than upsetting. Hopefully things will work out okay and I'll get another visa or a transfer and out of gratitude work hard to return to being a decent, well thought of teacher.
I'll keep y'all posted, just in case anyone runs into this problem somewhere down the road. |
Why would you tell your employer that you broke the law in another country?
You sir are a troll and that is it. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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A Dave's classic right there.... Excellent stuff
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Honestly, I have concerns whether you should even be here. My reasons for saying this are:
1) You've been here for 2 weeks and you are already "falling in love" with someone?
2) Knowing you were coming to Korea, you still smoked in Thailand? How incredibly irresponsible is that?
3) You "trusted" a Korean teacher to keep your secret having known said teacher for 2 weeks? Now you little secret is in writing?
4) It seems obvious you did not do adequate research prior to coming, which shows a certain degree of immaturity and combined with 1-3 above tells me this is not a good environment for you.
My suggestion is you cut your losses and go home, grow up a bit more, and try again in oh.....10 years or so......
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I really do think you have not grown up enough to be here. |
It doesn't sound harsh, it sounds self-righteous and ill-informed.
I really adore it when some here try to make out that working in Korea is somehow only available to the really dynamic go-getters; the winners of life.
In reality anyone could do this job, and succeed. Teaching in Korea is not a professional environment, it's a lazy mans excuse for work; anyone can do it. You can be a wretched alcoholic, moderately to severely mentally ill, lazy, thick, stupid, unprofessional, incompetent, and an addict of many substances and you will shine my dear, shine! There is no argument against the above because I have seen it on so many occasions that I can't count it!
I've seen wretched, self-destructive alcoholics stumble from uni job to even better uni job. I've seen clueless 'professors' with absolutely no teacher training and an online Ba write baffling nonsense on a whiteboard that would induce an apoplectic fit of rage in a CELTA instructor.
So don't even dream of telling this guy he's not capable of teaching in Korea, when he so demonstrably and evidently is. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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You have to put this in perspective. ESL teachers already have a bad rep and, im sorry but, to be blunt, your kind does not help improve the image of esl teachers in Korea.
Your life will hardly be screwed up will it now. You'll return back to your country and do whatever.
A drug problem?? Perhaps not. At best it is ignorance of the highest order. I am not sure which one is worse....
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Thanks to some of you for your support. I didn't come on here for sympathy but for advice, but wow, I can't believe how many mean-spirited people are on here... not sure what your problems are, or why you're so eager to see my life screwed up (I mean I understand indifference, but why the hate?), but I'm too dejected and regretful to muster up much in the way of argument.
Anyway, yeah, I screwed up... I don't think any of you know me well enough to judge my intelligence or whether I have a drug problem- honestly, that some of you think you do is more amusing than upsetting. Hopefully things will work out okay and I'll get another visa or a transfer and out of gratitude work hard to return to being a decent, well thought of teacher.
I'll keep y'all posted, just in case anyone runs into this problem somewhere down the road. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks to some of you for your support. I didn't come on here for sympathy but for advice, but wow, I can't believe how many mean-spirited people are on here... |
ok, you want some advice? go back to your home country and try not to fail the drug test on the next job you get, idiot |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| You can be a wretched alcoholic, moderately to severely mentally ill, lazy, thick, stupid, unprofessional, incompetent, and an addict of many substances and you will shine my dear, shine! |
When did we work together? Remember: Colin, Havi, Lisa, Rich, Ron, Earl, Louis...? |
I know none of these names, yet I feel deep down that I know all of them.
I bet Colin was a right pisshead; I can tell by the name!  |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| tombirner wrote: |
| Thanks to some of you for your support. I didn't come on here for sympathy but for advice, but wow, I can't believe how many mean-spirited people are on here... |
ok, you want some advice? go back to your home country and try not to fail the drug test on the next job you get, idiot |
Couldn't have said it better myself, and might I add, you just put a little 'tick' mark in everybody's book because you failed here. It's the little count next to "Foreigners Doing Drugs" (which is just below rape and just above getting run over by an army vehicle).
Thanks a lot, Tom. Now GTFO. |
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losing_touch
Joined: 26 Jun 2008
Location: Ulsan - I think!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Like, oh my god. You smoked pot in Thailand? You must be a horrible loser with no hope for a future and an additiction that is uncontrollable. |
1. Have you smoked marijuana in Thailand, knowing that it's illegal, when it is known worldwide that the penalty for many drug offenses in Thailand is death?
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I hate to break it to you, but there is no death penalty for pot in Thailand. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hey guys,
Thanks for all the responses. Okay... my job... the head of English was a really anal, uptight Jesus freak who had it out for me right off the bat, and she's buddies with the principal. We kind of skipped that polite phase upon meeting and immediately started butting heads. I don't think she was crazy about my teaching, but it was other stuff I was told were the reasons for being fired, most of them lies, probably all by her. Everyone else seemed to like me fine.
She was upset that I'm skinny and my belt was having issues and when I bent over one day she saw my boxers, which she made sure to criticize me for. During the introduction, I answered a child truthfully that I liked to have a beer sometimes on weekends- apparently that didn't go over very well with the powers that be. I used to use a bathroom upstairs and across the hall, near this lady's classroom, because the bathroom near my classroom was often filled with children. This woman said I was wandering the school, staring into classrooms at teachers (not true at all- maybe a glance at the teachers or the class as I walk by, as is human nature). They also said I made inappropriate comments to or about females, which is totally false.
The main reason, though, was not that I failed a drug test, but that I was worried I'd fail a drug test. My co-teacher, who was totally cool and who I am convinced had nothing to do with this, told me I had to take a medical exam the first week of school. I read I had ninety days to take the test, and she seemed cool so I told her I was worried that I would fail the drug test, because I smoked a little grass in Thailand a few weeks back. Stupidly, she asked (hypothetically) the administrative peeps if a failed drug test would result in a teacher being fired. I passed the drug test, but the administrative people put two and two together and realized that if I was worried about failing a drug test, I obviously did drugs.
My recruiter said that that was the big one- the other stuff probably could have added up to a warning, but there was no getting passed the drug test.
So now they are canceling my visa this Friday. And everyone tells me something different about it. I thought my recruiter said that the canceling of the visa basically is the same as a letter of release, but I've since heard that an actual printed letter of release is crucial. I thought my recruiter also said that the school would give me a letter of release, though, before he added that canceling the visa is basically the same.
DMBfan, I have my diploma but no transcripts and foolishy did not make a copy of my CRC. Were you talking about the proces needed for another E2 visa, if it comes to that? I have hopes that I can immediately find another job at a public school (interview on Monday), so I can transfer. But again, I keep hearing different things- I need to do it before the visa is canceled (meaning I have a week to find a job and get my letter of release), I have 7/10/14 days after the visa is canceled to do it, etc.
My head is swimming. I know it's easy to get a job here, but the visa process is so damn complicated. Seriously, for as strict as they try to be, it seems like there is just so much ambiguity to the process steps.
I also was not aware the degree that my school hates me, and I'm worried they will formally complain to immigration. My co-teacher told me she was made to put into writing what I told her about my drug test. Is that something they'd send to immigration? I would hope the fact that I PASSED the drug test would outweigh a little school gossip, but combine that with those other ridiculous claims about being some sort of sexual timebomb, and I'm a little worried I'll get denied. I really planned on being here long term- I am starting to fall in love with someone here, and the thought of not being able to stay scares the hell out of me and makes me so queasy.
I think it's likelier, though, that at worst I'll have to go through the E2 process again. Knock on wood, but I don't think immigration is organized enough to red flag my visa application because of the school's complaints, and I have trouble believing that the school would be so vindictive as to ruin my life just because things didn't work out between us. I was very polite and smiled and said hello to everyone, the kids loved me, my co-teacher loved me, and I'm quite certain that all the ridiculous claims were the work of one woman.
I should also ask: if immigration has my criminal background check, and I don't need to get another original, then why do I have to get a coy of it? And can I ask them to make me a copy?
Lastly, where does the alien card fit into all this? I handed it in to immigration two days before I got fired, so they have it now along with my passport. |
How'd you suss all this out in two weeks? Is your Korean ability that good, maybe drug use really does enhance the senses, or perhaps its just paranoia? |
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jillbean1217
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| I passed the drug test, but the administrative people put two and two together and realized that if I was worried about failing a drug test, I obviously did drugs |
HE PASSED HIS DRUG TEST.
Jesus christ, if you're going to mock someone, at least make sure you get the details right.  |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| jillbean1217 wrote: |
| Like, oh my god. You smoked pot in Thailand? You must be a horrible loser with no hope for a future and an additiction that is uncontrollable. |
1. Have you smoked marijuana in Thailand, knowing that it's illegal, when it is known worldwide that the penalty for many drug offenses in Thailand is death?
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I hate to break it to you, but there is no death penalty for pot in Thailand. |
I hate to break it to you, but nobody said there is. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| I passed the drug test, but the administrative people put two and two together and realized that if I was worried about failing a drug test, I obviously did drugs |
HE PASSED HIS DRUG TEST.
Jesus christ, if you're going to mock someone, at least make sure you get the details right. |
Do you deny that his drug use was the ultimate cause of his dismissal? Even he admits that his inability to stop smoking marijuana cost him his job. |
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balzor
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Dude they tossed players from the SK Knights, that they probably spent 1000's on for smoking some weed in a hotel room, you think anyone will give two craps about your pothead self. Go away!! no one cares and no one feels sorry for you |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| balzor wrote: |
| Dude they tossed players from the SK Knights, that they probably spent 1000's on for smoking some weed in a hotel room, you think anyone will give two craps about your pothead self. Go away!! no one cares and no one feels sorry for you |
Posts like this make me wish PHPBB allowed rep. |
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