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Battlestar Galactica 2004
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blurgalurgalurga



Joined: 18 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:

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Blurgalurgalurga: I think you are right.

By the way, what is with choosing a name we cannot simply write but must struggle to pronounce and, at the end, simply cut-and-paste in order to talk to you? A lot of others do that here, too. Strange phenomenon...


Good question.
It seemed appropriate at the time. Unfortunately, while it no longer seems funny to me (and probably never did, to anyone else), I'm stuck with it.

Thanks for going to the trouble of cutting and pasting it, and sorry for the inconvenience.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The series was up and down for me, but they did right by that finale.
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blurgalurgalurga



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've a few minor gripes about the finale, but overall I was well pleased.
Here are my complaints (spoiler alert, obviously)...they're pretty minor, really.

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The resolution of the Opera House visions was more than a bit anti-climactic. Roslin had these visions for several seasons, and was obviously a key player in the prophecy. And yet, what exactly did she do? She grabbed Hera and hid behind a bucket. Job done. Similarly with Baltar and Caprica Six--they were super important because, uh, why? Because they escorted the kid for about a minute, down a hallway and into the Opera House/ CIC? It seems an awfully small role, in the end, for all three characters. That whole sequence reeked of 'writers trying to answer a question they never had an answer for, and not coming up with a particularly satisfying resolution.'

Starbuck the Angel's sudden disappearance irked me as well. I don't know how else they could have done it, but I would've preferred they didn't fall back on the 'poof! she's gone! o well, some things can't be explained.' Seemed a bit lazy...like Moore knew he'd painted himself in a corner, and just said 'to hell with it.'

Also--what's up with Adama, blubbering away to himself on some hilltop? Didn't seem in character for him to exile himself for the rest of his life, heartbroke though he was. I mean, sure, sucks that wifey bit it and all, but is that really enough to drive a guy into a life of one hundred percent isolation? Bit melodramatic...would've made more sense to have him join up with one of the settler bands. Though to be fair, he did still have his ship, so the option theoretically remained open to him. Yet, Apollo felt very sure he wasn't coming back...

It seemed that in the big standoff in CIC, there was no good reason at all for taking Cavill captive. Would they not have just blown away all the skin-jobs as fast as possible? Clearly, just holding guns to their heads wasn't a very good plan. Again, it seemed to me that Moore needed there to be dialogue between the Cylons and the Colonials (fair enough) but rather than think up a plausible way for that to happen, rather lazily wrote it so that Cavill and each of his boys simply get away from the marines guarding them, and hey presto, instant Mexican Standoff/ instant drama.

Anyway, those are all just minor complaints, much like the ones I've had with the show all along. I still love the show and am very grateful that they made such a great job of it. In the end, despite my gripes, it's still the best science fiction show ever, IMO, and well worth repeated viewing.

And the last battle sequence was frakking awesome. No let-downs there!


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sarbonn



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it was a great conclusion to a great series. There were some flaws, mostly because they tried to tie up some details that they screwed up from earlier seasons, but I can live with those. I have my own theories on what exactly Kara was, but I have no problem with what happened to her at the end. Worked for me. Didn't really buy the Kavil putting the gun in his mouth bit, but I'll live with it (even though he obviously won't).

I have to say that my favorite moment in the whole ending was when Lee Adama was moving through the complex with the Cylons. There was a moment where he gave military signals to the Cylons and they reacted as part of the team, and it just hit me right then and there of how cool that really was. No hesitation, no problems, they were one big team working on the same mission on the same side. That really resonated well with me. It kind of made me wonder what happened to the Cylons who took the base star and went elsewhere.

I still find it fracking amazing that they took a cheezy television show from the 1970s and did what they did with this animal. It's going to force so many other experiments in television to have to jump over a much higher bar than has ever been placed before. I'm saddened with the realization that so few will ever even attempt to make it up to the bar BSG just set.
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PeteJB



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Credit to Olmos' acting, his portrayal of Adama has been amazing. Even if you hated Roslin, you just can't help but feel sorry for ole Adama.
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteJB wrote:
Credit to Olmos' acting, his portrayal of Adama has been amazing. Even if you hated Roslin, you just can't help but feel sorry for ole Adama.


Yes, Adama is the standout in the series.


So, it is over. The ending was alright. The last ep was by far and away the best of what I think was a very weak season.
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bourquetheman



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved the finale but I must say that I was amazed at the punishment that Galactica withstood when the first jumped between the 2 Cylon base ships. Even the front blast doors were ejected out, and later the Cylons blew a hole in one of the decks, etc. Yet later the FTL was STILL online? Are you frackin kidding me? In other seasons the FTL had gone offline for less than that. Especially when it was getting pounded that time before Lee arrived with Pegasus and saved them. Anyway I'm obviously glad that they were able to jump away, I just thought they should have had to work on getting the FTL back online for a bit.
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crash bang



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last ep was by far and away the best of what I think was a very weak season.


i had the opposite reaction. i thought it was the weakest episode of a very strong (half) season. emphasis on half. season 4.0 didnt do it for me

i figured youd like the big battle at the end. that was good. maybe i missed something, but i dont remember the skinjobs storming the CIC. i think too much was edited out there.

and if i hear "break the cycle" one more time............
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crash bang wrote:
and if i hear "break the cycle" one more time...


The producers' politics and exhortation to us.
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crash bang



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do have to say i thought the execution was really good at the last few minutes, especially since it was kind of predictable. i liked how the bsg story merged with our history and our present
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bourquetheman wrote:
I loved the finale but I must say that I was amazed at the punishment that Galactica withstood when the first jumped between the 2 Cylon base ships. Even the front blast doors were ejected out, and later the Cylons blew a hole in one of the decks, etc. Yet later the FTL was STILL online? Are you frackin kidding me? In other seasons the FTL had gone offline for less than that. Especially when it was getting pounded that time before Lee arrived with Pegasus and saved them. Anyway I'm obviously glad that they were able to jump away, I just thought they should have had to work on getting the FTL back online for a bit.


i think everyother time the ftl drive had gone offline had involved nukes (I could be wrong) plus didn't they upgrade them from the cylon baseship?
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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad it's over. Just kept watching because I started and I don't quit on something easily. Needed something to watch in the subway. Glad I didn't waste much usable time on this series. Too many prophecies, symbols, mysticism etc. Didn't all add up. Ending made my eyes hurt from excessive rolling.
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bourquetheman wrote:
I loved the finale but I must say that I was amazed at the punishment that Galactica withstood when the first jumped between the 2 Cylon base ships. Even the front blast doors were ejected out, and later the Cylons blew a hole in one of the decks, etc. Yet later the FTL was STILL online? Are you frackin kidding me? In other seasons the FTL had gone offline for less than that. Especially when it was getting pounded that time before Lee arrived with Pegasus and saved them. Anyway I'm obviously glad that they were able to jump away, I just thought they should have had to work on getting the FTL back online for a bit.


Given that I've been brought up on STTNG, where the warp drives blow up every time someone looks at them funny, it's refreshing to see an unshielded ship that can actually take a pounding.
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OneWayTraffic



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher: The problem I have is that despite the finale, nothing much happened on earth for the next 120,000 years or so. If they'd really given language, agriculture and writing especially, then we'd be about 140,000 years ahead of where we are-as those things were never developed in our history so early.

I'm willing to suspend disbelief on it, and I like the way you expressed it, but something rankles a little with it. As I said, I'm going to imagine that things really worked out like that.

Aside from that nit, and it bothers me much less now than when I'd first seen it, I think the finale was pretty much all I could have hoped for. The parody of the DS9 finale, when instead of peace we have the main players just blowing each other away in CIC was fantastic.
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PeteJB



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWayTraffic wrote:


Given that I've been brought up on STTNG, where the warp drives blow up every time someone looks at them funny, it's refreshing to see an unshielded ship that can actually take a pounding.


Haha, too true.

The BSG finale is how Voyager should have been, instead of that mess of an episode called 'Endgame'.
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