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Odds of getting a job? (no degree)
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sempro



Joined: 31 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Odds of getting a job? (no degree) Reply with quote

Hello all,

I'm a white Canadian male, 21 years old, no post-secondary education and not much of a work history.

I've looked through the job postings, and they all require/request a university degree. I realize public schools are not a possibility for me, but are the people hiring online for hagwons flexible on the whole degree requirement? In other words, do I stand a chance of getting a hagwon to actually hire me online and pay for my relocation?

If not, if I were to travel to Korea on my own dime and then look for a job, would that improve my chances of landing a job?

Thanks.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go ahead. Come on over and work illegally. Then get arrested, detained, and deported. And then the rest of us who are here long-term and doing things legally have to suffer the backlash from your stunt.

Better yet, get your act together and finish university. Of course, you have to start university first. Or look elsewhere for a job that doesn't require a university degree.

Here's another consideration: If you work for a hagweon owner who's dishonest enough to hire you, then the owner's dishonest enough to not pay you.


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sempro



Joined: 31 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, we got that out of the way. Now hopefully I can get some answers to my actual questions.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sempro wrote:
OK, we got that out of the way. Now hopefully I can get some answers to my actual questions.


Immigration will not allow you an E2 Visa due to the fact of lacking a Uni Degree.

Actually, I have yet to meet a foreigner without a Uni Degree in Korea who does any type of Job, legally.

It is very difficult for anyone without a degree to find a job outside of the country where one is born. That is a simple fact.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are hakwons who are "flexible" on the degree requirement, but they tend to be "flexible" on things like your pay and benefits as well.

In other words if you come over to work illegally, expect to be paid less than what was agreed upon in the contract and for the hakwon to renege on airfare and severance. And as an illegal worker there is NOTHING you can do about it.

Expect to be shafted six ways to Sunday. Oh yes and if you get caught expect a whopping fine, detention in a Korean jail and deportation.

Not enough fun yet? Well there are many people here who dislike illegal workers (as they depress the labor market for the rest of us) and who will think nothing of turning you in. There are others who won't say a thing...but who are you going to know how to trust? Could be a very lonely year as you never know if the guy next to you might turn you in to the authorities if you somehow tick him off.

In sum you could look back on coming here to work illegally as the dumbest move in your life. And with the exchange rate falling like a stone...it's not all that great right now.
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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't stand a chance. It's time to get your adult education started and finished before even thinking about coming to Korea. People who teach here illegally make the news frequently in a bad way.
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rollo



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your Canadian and you dont know about how to go about working in illegally in Korea? ?????
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sempro



Joined: 31 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
Your Canadian and you dont know about how to go about working in illegally in Korea? ?????

Haha, I know of a couple people who have done it, but I've lost contact with them unfortunately. So yeah, I'm one of the few.
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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What has kept you away from university education?
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sempro



Joined: 31 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agoodmouse wrote:
What has kept you away from university education?

I don't want to get into my personal life, but university isn't a viable option for everyone.




If there's anyone working in Korea under the table but doesn't want to out themselves, feel free to PM me. I'd appreciate the chance to talk to someone who has gone through the process.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sempro wrote:
agoodmouse wrote:
What has kept you away from university education?

I don't want to get into my personal life, but university isn't a viable option for everyone.




If there's anyone working in Korea under the table but doesn't want to out themselves, feel free to PM me. I'd appreciate the chance to talk to someone who has gone through the process.


Find another country in which to be an illegal immigrant, please.
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oldtactics



Joined: 18 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There really isn't a process - you get a tourist visa, come to Korea, and canvas your area for a job. It's -possible- to find illegal work before you get here, but you'd have to be proactive and email people yourself - recruiters and schools aren't going to advertise that they hire illegal workers.

I agree with everyone else - lots of countries in Latin America and Southeast Asia don't require degrees.. I'd say start there instead.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Odds of getting a job? (no degree) Reply with quote

sempro wrote:
Hello all,

I'm a white Canadian male, 21 years old, no post-secondary education and not much of a work history.

I've looked through the job postings, and they all require/request a university degree. I realize public schools are not a possibility for me, but are the people hiring online for hagwons flexible on the whole degree requirement? In other words, do I stand a chance of getting a hagwon to actually hire me online and pay for my relocation?

If not, if I were to travel to Korea on my own dime and then look for a job, would that improve my chances of landing a job?

Thanks.


The chances of getting a job are quite high. The chances of getting a legal job very very very low.

The problem is it is not the hagwons who have said that you need a degree, it's the government. If you come here and get a job, in time you will be caught, everybody knows some one that is here illegally, but it is just a numbers game. Spend enough time here and you will be caught.

It could be in one month it could be in 6 years.

Once that happens you get to spend time in a cell for a little while until they deport you, however they won't deport you till you have paid a fine. Also don't think of it as a free flight back home as they bill the canadian government, who bills you.

You can make some good money, I will give you that, however you could get caught quickly and wind up with fines worth 1000s of dollars and a deportation order on your immigration history.

try somewhere that does not need a degree
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the ireland



Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gotta agree with most of the posts above. don't go until you get your degree, it's not worth the hassle and when you get caught it just looks bad for the current crop of teachers, the criminal check and medical tests are already a major pain.

either go to university and get your degree or go somewhere else
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sempro



Joined: 31 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I wouldn't advertise the fact that I'm teaching illegally. I may be uneducated but I'm not stupid.

Anyway, since the previous two posters have mentioned it, and Dave won't let me post in the main forums yet, which countries openly hire foreign teachers without degrees?
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