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How can I invest my won with a bank?

 
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: How can I invest my won with a bank? Reply with quote

Nonghyup bank told my girlfriend that a new law was passed this year which makes it illegal for foreigners to invest money in a CD. Nonghyup offered her a rate of only 3.75%, and thats for depositing 40 million won. For a 6 month contract, I'd only get around 800,000 won. Seems like a pretty bad ROI. I told her that Tomato bank offers a rate of 4.2%, but she said that it's better to go with one of the larger banks like Nonghyup, Shinan, or KB.

Does anyone know how I can get a better rate? And what's with it being illegal for foreigners to invest their own money? As much as I trust my girlfriend, I'm not about to send all my money into her account so she can invest it.
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know alot of banks offer MMF (Money market funds). Basically it is an interest bearing fund with far more flexibility than a CD. I opened one in January at IBK. (They may not have had the best rate, but I bank with them, so the convienience was worth the time and effort in shopping around and dealing with another bank to earn a few pips).

The interest rate fluctuates based on the prime interest rate (Government lending rate, not sure of the "American" word for this). Currently, I believe it is 3.77% (which is VERY similar to the rate offered to your GF). On the plus side, you can withdraw your money at a moments notice. (With my MMF, I have to go into the branch to do any transactions on the MMF, no online/atm transactions for me Sad, and any withdraws will show up the following day). Finally, you can add money as and when you please, so it is a good savings tool.

For the majority of teachers I think an MMF is far better than a CD, as we can't be certain we'll be here in a year's time, and thus would not want our money locked up. However, it's gonna cost you around 0.5-0.6% annum. (which on a W10mill deposit is 50-60K over a year).
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call_the_shots



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: How can I invest my won with a bank? Reply with quote

xCustomx wrote:
Nonghyup bank told my girlfriend that a new law was passed this year which makes it illegal for foreigners to invest money in a CD.


Sounds fishy to me. I opened a new CD (or "time deposit" as they call it here) in February at KB. When did this law purportedly take effect?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nong Hyup also has mutual fund programs available. I don't know if you're interested in that...
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: How can I invest my won with a bank? Reply with quote

call_the_shots wrote:
xCustomx wrote:
Nonghyup bank told my girlfriend that a new law was passed this year which makes it illegal for foreigners to invest money in a CD.


Sounds fishy to me. I opened a new CD (or "time deposit" as they call it here) in February at KB. When did this law purportedly take effect?


I agree. But knowing the banking system here, that particular branch probably just can't be bothered to spend the extra 3 minutes and deal with a foreigner, so to save face they say "the government passed a law". You know, the same law, that says they have to stamp my passport to send money abroad, and that I can't have an International ATM card. Wink
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Time Deposits, a Money Market account, as well as a compound interest account. I asked about opening another TD account recently and they said nothing about new laws. The rate of the TD does fluctuate with the street rate. I got more than 6% with mine, but that was in september. Now, I'd be lucky to get half that.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
I have Time Deposits, a Money Market account, as well as a compound interest account. I asked about opening another TD account recently and they said nothing about new laws. The rate of the TD does fluctuate with the street rate. I got more than 6% with mine, but that was in september. Now, I'd be lucky to get half that.


I was under the impression that when you get the Time Deposit, the rate is fixed (at/near the street rate) for the period of the Time Deposit. While, with an MMF the rate you get varies on a daily basis based on the street rate at the time.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that's correct. It can be both good and bad. I was lucky because I locked in a high (relatively) rate last fall. The rate now sucks. I have a compound interest account also with a fixed interest rate. I can put money in there until the (I think) 8th month of the year long period and earn that interest rate. I can put a maximum on 10,000,000 Won per month in there. That rate isn't as high as the TD, but it's much higher than the money market account. I think I get about 5.5% on the compound interest, about 6.4% on the TD, and something quite low for the money market.
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Tux



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife thought of a really good idea the other day. If you don't have your own place already and have 40-50million sitting around then approach a real estate agent to see if you can use that money as a deposit on a rental place. Usually if you can deposit that much, then the landlord wont charge you rent each month. You can then grab the housing allowance from you school (400-500k) per month and make a double digit return each year. I guarantee you wont get that sort of return from any bank.

Thats a return of 5 million per annum on an investment of about 50 million. Downside I guess is that you are less mobile and you will have to buy your own furniture. So i guess subtract 2 mil in your first year for furniture/appliances etc.
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xCustomx



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone.

I already offered my landlord an extra 10million won last year if he would agree to reduce the rent, but he said that the rent money I pay is one of the few sources of income he has, so he didn't want the extra key money.
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diver



Joined: 16 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tux wrote:
My wife thought of a really good idea the other day. If you don't have your own place already and have 40-50million sitting around then approach a real estate agent to see if you can use that money as a deposit on a rental place. Usually if you can deposit that much, then the landlord wont charge you rent each month. You can then grab the housing allowance from you school (400-500k) per month and make a double digit return each year. I guarantee you wont get that sort of return from any bank.

Thats a return of 5 million per annum on an investment of about 50 million. Downside I guess is that you are less mobile and you will have to buy your own furniture. So i guess subtract 2 mil in your first year for furniture/appliances etc.


We did something similar. We excercised an option to increase the amount of key money we had down which decreased our rent. The amount we save in rent works out to about 10% per year. Since we receive the 10% as savings, not "income" there is no tax on it either.
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xCustomx



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My co-teacher recommended opening a CMA account, but does anyone know what kind of rate I can get with an account of that type?
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xCustomx wrote:
My co-teacher recommended opening a CMA account, but does anyone know what kind of rate I can get with an account of that type?


around 2.5 to 4.5%

always remember that in general, the interest rate is inversely related with reliability of the financial institution. The balance between risk and payoff is a matter of your personal choice.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a new law was passed this year


That much, at least, is true. What the full content of the law(s) is I don't know.

I went into Nong Hyup last Friday and was told that the law(s) dealing with 'funds' has been changed. According to the people I talked to, every quarter any profit/interest/earnings from all 'funds' will be automatically transferred out of the fund and into your regular savings account. To do this, I had to sign a new form they called a 'bridge account'. They said I had no choice since it's a new law.

I'm frustrated by the whole thing because I don't want any earnings taken out of the 'fund'.
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