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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Hey, look I spoke earlier but I would like to make myself clear. I have tried yoga and breathing but it doesn't work for me. It is great that it worked for you. I am not here looking for a way to fix my back since I have spent 1000's of hours in America doing that, but instead just medicine to manage it for those couple days a year when it is bad. Can someone please help me with getting medicine like I had mentioned earlier. |
Crap did you see that , that stupid elephant keeps sticking it's head out of the door. Please give me some drugs so I can pretend it's not there.
Sometimes I get clear enough that I can actually feel my back can you please give me some drugs to confuse my nervous system from being alive a couple days of the year. please. |
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pec5002
Joined: 15 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| D.D. I get the feeling that you are one of those people who think your way is the only way and is the right way. I understand that and I can respect it to a point. Now let me explain something to you, I live a happy life. I do have a back problem (Which is why I came to this thread.) Back problems are the #1 reason people miss work and or other activities. If there was an easy fix for it, or even a proven fix then those statistics may not be what they are. As I mentioned before, I have tried numerous different ways to fix my problem and some have made it much better. There are still a few days a year where it becomes bad all of a sudden. In the future will I pursue further treatment for this? Yes most likely. Right now though I am in a foreign country where I do not know the language. I live outside the city and everywhere is a far commute. Do not blame me if I dont want to spend my time here trying everything under the sun to see what may work. I have a solution (Or had) that does work. Am I happy that I have to take opiates? Not at all. I am skeptical of the fact that it alters my judgment and mood, but the benefits outweigh the negatives. Now I would appreciate it if you could answer my question that I stated before without talking down to me, as if YOU know me or the extent of my situation. |
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Omkara
Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'd use drugs, but only for short term acute situations. Never as a continuing part of a long term program.
I have known people who've used the drugs for long term treatment, as a solution. It really did not help, but made them dull and addicted as well as crippled by back pain. Bad road.
Until a person can see pain as a teacher--not in the moral sense, for guilt will only make it worse--and as a partner, the healing will not go well.
You need your pain to heal.
You are smart, I take it. Hopefully patient, too. I'd recommend studying all you can about your case and learn to heal--not fix--yourself.
Those periodic attacks of pain are important information for you. Don't shut up the messenger. Thank the messenger, though the news is painful. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| pec5002 wrote: |
| D.D. I get the feeling that you are one of those people who think your way is the only way and is the right way. I understand that and I can respect it to a point. Now let me explain something to you, I live a happy life. I do have a back problem (Which is why I came to this thread.) Back problems are the #1 reason people miss work and or other activities. If there was an easy fix for it, or even a proven fix then those statistics may not be what they are. As I mentioned before, I have tried numerous different ways to fix my problem and some have made it much better. There are still a few days a year where it becomes bad all of a sudden. In the future will I pursue further treatment for this? Yes most likely. Right now though I am in a foreign country where I do not know the language. I live outside the city and everywhere is a far commute. Do not blame me if I dont want to spend my time here trying everything under the sun to see what may work. I have a solution (Or had) that does work. Am I happy that I have to take opiates? Not at all. I am skeptical of the fact that it alters my judgment and mood, but the benefits outweigh the negatives. Now I would appreciate it if you could answer my question that I stated before without talking down to me, as if YOU know me or the extent of my situation. |
I know there are many ways but I also know when I see a short term solution that leads to long term problems.
Simplified brain- pain theory...... We have biology(body), intellect( head), and wisdom= biology + intellect.
Our society has taught us to cut off our biology(feelings) and listen to our intellect.
In this intellectual state biology is not deemed as important. So we are taught to tell the body to shut up ( medication, various treatments) so our intellect can continue on it's path.
This will lead to pathology( path of logic).
If you want to evolve past being a mid-brained intellectual person to a higher brained wise person you need to learn to feel and think.
If you cut out thinking too much you will be ruled too much by your biology which could cause some problems.
If you cut out your biology too much you will become ruled to much by intellect (ego)
The solution is to use your upper brain that thinks and feels and is associated with wisdom.
The reason you feel talked down to is your intellect is hearing my wisdom and wisdom is a higher brain function.
Intellect thinks it is the highest state and believes it's view is correct and gets angry when challenged.
So the reason you have the same pain is you have been relating to it incorrectly. Your mid-brain is intercepting messages meant for the higher brain. You take medication that causes tension in your body so your intellect can state tight and in charge.
If you want to evolve you will need to relate to pain differently and not see it as something that needs to be gotten rid of.
That pain is messages from your biology and they are just as important as any intellectual thought you may have.
Wisdom can be seen as a pain because it's path is different to how your intellect thought things should be.
We are ruining our enviroment because we are acting as a intellect trying to cut off our biology.
You are ruining the enviroment of your body and life by doing the same thing.
By taking medication you are sending a strong message to your body that you don't honour it's input.
Eventually you will need to listen and the longer you waite the tougher it will be.
Evolution of our species on a micro scale starts with individuals feeling.
This could lead to an evolution on a macro scale but not if individuals use drugs to inhibit their feelings.
Maybe next time you should create a space where you can relate to that pain and gets it's wisdom. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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When I first experienced severe back problems it was scary in that I wasn't sure if I'd actually recover or be permanently disabled. So, I tended to be very cautious at the first sign of that my back was "going out".
However, about eight or nine years ago I got a temp job handling Express Mail packages (during the Christmas season) and it involved bending, lifting, and tossing (into various bins) packages that weighed up to 70 lbs that were speedily coming off a conveyor belt.
One day while - working third shift - my lower back got that "hit by lightning" feeling with acute spasms, and I didn't even think I could make it to my car, which was in a remote parking lot that I had gotten from by shuttle bus.
I grimly decided to tighten the back brace I had on and try to work through the excruciating pain, and somehow-or-other my upper body muscles seemed to overcome the lower-back problem by continuing to lift and toss heavy boxes (and my brain probably released a lot of endorphins ...)
By the end of that shift I had a lot more confidence that I could tough out what I previously thought was a devastating and fragile back condition... |
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