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Provence



Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:44 pm    Post subject: Would you be offended? Reply with quote

There was recently a drug bust in my city where 7 FT's were arrested. Anyway, to make a long story short my director and office manager called us in to an emergency meeting today. The entire meeting was questioning about how often we go out, what do we do when we go out, and did we know any of the FT's that were caught.

I am a little offended for obvious reasons. My question to all of you is would you put up with this blatant ignorance that all westerns must be involved if a few westerners are caught doing something stupid? Furthermore, how long should I expect this to last? Will this all blow over or will it get worse?
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Would you be offended? Reply with quote

Provence wrote:
There was recently a drug bust in my city where 7 FT's were arrested. Anyway, to make a long story short my director and office manager called us in to an emergency meeting today. The entire meeting was questioning about how often we go out, what do we do when we go out, and did we know any of the FT's that were caught.

I am a little offended for obvious reasons. My question to all of you is would you put up with this blatant ignorance that all westerns must be involved if a few westerners are caught doing something stupid? Furthermore, how long should I expect this to last? Will this all blow over or will it get worse?


Since your school is sponsoring you to be in the country (assuming you are on an E-2) it is somewhat their business to make sure you act appropriately.

Unsurprisingly however, they approached the topic the wrong way and pryed into your business instead of explaining the situation and the consequences and treating you like proper adults.

Remember, socially, Koreans act like ninth-graders at their first high school dance. Socially inept at times and unsure of how to deal with situations.

So, what can you do about it? Maybe request a meeting with your office manager for a chance to explain (camly and in a non-threatening way) why you were offended by how you were appoached and that next time, could do it differently. In my experience, it's usually a cultural difference that is the source of work relations frustrations.

And don't worry, it will be forgotten....by Friday.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you? In Seoul 7 foreigners is a drop in the hat, in my neck of the woods it's about 15% of the local foreigner population.

I'd be offended if I were in Seoul, here I'd pretty much expect something to happen.

Be thankful it was your hagwon and not the cops. As for whether you should put up with it or not, what exactly would not putting up with it entail?
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Provence



Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Would you be offended? Reply with quote

Jane wrote:

And don't worry, it will be forgotten....by Friday.


I hope you are right about that. I would hate for this to spin out of control. I guess I am not used to being judged by my nationality, but instead by my character.
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Provence



Joined: 18 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
Where are you? In Seoul 7 foreigners is a drop in the hat, in my neck of the woods it's about 15% of the local foreigner population.

I'd be offended if I were in Seoul, here I'd pretty much expect something to happen.

Be thankful it was your hagwon and not the cops. As for whether you should put up with it or not, what exactly would not putting up with it entail?


I am also in an area where 7 foreigners are about 15% of the population. That�s honestly why I am a little worried. This city is not used to foreigners and is known to be conservative.
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Robot_Teacher



Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that the case where someone had a closet full of ganja growing recently? All they got to do is a drug test and say no more. Like in Thailand, Korean police can do UA's without warrant. Rather than questioning and probing to detect if you get high, just drop a UA and be professionally discreet about it. That's how I think it should had transpired if they're concerned about illegal drug use in your school. Sounds like a power trip thing.

Instead, you're getting unnecessary pestering for someone elses mistakes. Yea, I guess I'd feel a bit offended too.
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Goku



Joined: 10 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and No.

As a foreign teacher, if they approached me asking me if I was doing drugs, I wouldn't be offended. It is biased and uncalled for, yet at the same time I understand what they are thinking because this isn't the first time this has happened. And it's being repeated again and again... by foreign teachers. The percentage of Korean teachers that have drugs compared to percentage of foreign teachers that have drugs are probably staggering. I already have met 4 foreigners that have been busted on drugs. That's amazing. Does anyone know of any Korean teachers that have been busted on drugs? Gyopos not included.

Personally, however, I'd be offended that they'd approach me, based on my character. I am professional down to the milimeter and for them to ask me this kind of question I'd be like... do you know me at all? As soon as they'd approach me with this question I'd give them blank stares and then extend my hand and say... "Hi my name is Mike, I don't think we've met..."

If I had dreadlocks, did things in a lazy way, was constantly leaving school to get snacks, then the question would be warranted. But no, not for someone who wears a suit and tie and acts like a drill sargeant of a platoon at school.
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Straphanger



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember where you are, everybody. Being at the same party where another foreigner was busted for drugs makes you a suspect. Don't think they're not watching.
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Would you be offended? Reply with quote

Provence wrote:
Jane wrote:

And don't worry, it will be forgotten....by Friday.


I hope you are right about that. I would hate for this to spin out of control. I guess I am not used to being judged by my nationality, but instead by my character.


Sadly in AEROK, you are a waeguk first, and a human second.

In fact, even when Koreans are abroad and represent clearly the minority, they still see everyone else as the 'foreigners'.
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xCustomx



Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The VP at my school called 4 other Korean co-teachers at their homes last Monday to ask about my demeanor in class. He wanted to know if I swear or hit the students because there was a NT at a school in the province that had been swearing at his students. Naturally, he thought that I must also do that.
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Pwillig



Joined: 26 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xCustomx wrote:
The VP at my school called 4 other Korean co-teachers at their homes last Monday to ask about my demeanor in class. He wanted to know if I swear or hit the students because there was a NT at a school in the province that had been swearing at his students. Naturally, he thought that I must also do that.



...you don't?
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toonchoon



Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'd ask them the same question. do you do drugs? do you know anybody that does drugs?

then i'd tell them what i think about all the pills a doctor prescribes for something as simple as a sore throat. and tell him that those are the REAL drugs, making people sleepy, drowsy, and otherwise feel great. make a point of saying just cos they're legal doesn't mean they're good.

basically, i'd turn it around on Korea.
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

toonchoon wrote:
i'd ask them the same question. do you do drugs? do you know anybody that does drugs?

then i'd tell them what i think about all the pills a doctor prescribes for something as simple as a sore throat. and tell him that those are the REAL drugs, making people sleepy, drowsy, and otherwise feel great. make a point of saying just cos they're legal doesn't mean they're good.

basically, i'd turn it around on Korea.


I did that once. Talked about the double barber poles, prostitution, cheating on wives...

Didn't end well.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Would you be offended? Reply with quote

Provence wrote:
There was recently a drug bust in my city where 7 FT's were arrested. Anyway, to make a long story short my director and office manager called us in to an emergency meeting today. The entire meeting was questioning about how often we go out, what do we do when we go out, and did we know any of the FT's that were caught.


there is only one appropriate response to something like this:

get up, don't say anything, just walk away.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
In Seoul 7 foreigners is a drop in the hat, but in my neck of the woods they're about 15% of the local foreigner population.




Fixed....wait a second....yes, I'm still confused by this post.

Can anyone explain this one?
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