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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: United Socialist States of America - Change to believe in? |
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With the election of Obama, the most left-wing, liberal President in the history of America and liberal radicals runnning both the House and Senate, Democrats have seized power and are attempting to change America as we know it.
Whether vilifying free-market capitalism, spending trillions of dollars that will handcuff generations with a debt that is currently about $18,000 per every American or violating the Constitution at every possible opportunity, freedoms our Founding Fathers setforth are being eroded away.
The best way to determine the future is to look at the past. Look at the radical, extremist in Obama's past. Jeremiah Wright - the so-called "messenger" of God that blames the U.S. for the terrorist attacks; William Ayers - a left-wing extremist and co-founder of the Weather Underground that bombed a number of government buildings including the Pentagon; and Saul Alinsky - also a community organizer like the President and author of Rules for Radicals, a book aimed at activist instructing them on the ways to change the things from the way they are to the way they want them to be; among others. This is the cesspool that the American President comes from.
Is he and the liberal congress changing America to a pseudo-European socialist country? Will the United Socialist States of America be a reality? After the stock market suffered a declination of over 3000 points since Obama's election, is this change you can believe in? Media reports show him laughing at the economic situation. What say you? Don't blame George Bush either lefties. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Someone watched The O'Reily Factor this morning.  Keep this garbage in the CE forum where it belongs. |
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waseige1
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: United Socialist States of America - Change to believe i |
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| Is he and the liberal congress changing America to a pseudo-European socialist country? Will the United Socialist States of America be a reality? |
God I hope so.
48 year old reborn Republican who is tired of the right wing hate wing throwing socialism around like it is a swear word. I look at a lot of European countries doing a lot of things better that U.S. |
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harlowethrombey
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Wrong forum.
Wrong information.
Wrong political ideology.
Wrong source.
Wrong person. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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This sounds like it could be the exact test of a John McCain robocall back during the election. It ties in everything: socialism, Bill Ayers/Jeremiah Wright, scaremongering, terrorism, even the terms "community organizer" and "radical" thrown in just for the hell of it.
You forgot to mention his birth certificate though. |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| My mom keeps claiming the USA is moving to Marxism. I don't know what it's going to. It's a complicated mess so I can't really talk politics. |
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Pink Freud
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| Get back on your meds... |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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With the election of Obama, the most left-wing, liberal President in the history of America and liberal radicals runnning both the House and Senate, Democrats have seized power and are attempting to change America as we know it.
Whether vilifying free-market capitalism, spending trillions of dollars that will handcuff generations with a debt that is currently about $18,000 per every American or violating the Constitution at every possible opportunity, freedoms our Founding Fathers setforth are being eroded away.
The best way to determine the future is to look at the past. Look at the radical, extremist in Obama's past. Jeremiah Wright - the so-called "messenger" of God that blames the U.S. for the terrorist attacks; William Ayers - a left-wing extremist and co-founder of the Weather Underground that bombed a number of government buildings including the Pentagon; and Saul Alinsky - also a community organizer like the President and author of Rules for Radicals, a book aimed at activist instructing them on the ways to change the things from the way they are to the way they want them to be; among others. This is the cesspool that the American President comes from.
Is he and the liberal congress changing America to a pseudo-European socialist country? Will the United Socialist States of America be a reality? After the stock market suffered a declination of over 3000 points since Obama's election, is this change you can believe in? Media reports show him laughing at the economic situation. What say you? Don't blame George Bush either lefties |
Objective information.
Too bad the lefties on this forum really can't come up with anything better for a response then mental midget sarcasm.
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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With the election of Obama, the most left-wing, liberal President in the history of America and liberal radicals runnning both the House and Senate, Democrats have seized power and are attempting to change America as we know it.
Whether vilifying free-market capitalism, spending trillions of dollars that will handcuff generations with a debt that is currently about $18,000 per every American or violating the Constitution at every possible opportunity, freedoms our Founding Fathers setforth are being eroded away.
The best way to determine the future is to look at the past. Look at the radical, extremist in Obama's past. Jeremiah Wright - the so-called "messenger" of God that blames the U.S. for the terrorist attacks; William Ayers - a left-wing extremist and co-founder of the Weather Underground that bombed a number of government buildings including the Pentagon; and Saul Alinsky - also a community organizer like the President and author of Rules for Radicals, a book aimed at activist instructing them on the ways to change the things from the way they are to the way they want them to be; among others. This is the cesspool that the American President comes from.
Is he and the liberal congress changing America to a pseudo-European socialist country? Will the United Socialist States of America be a reality? After the stock market suffered a declination of over 3000 points since Obama's election, is this change you can believe in? Media reports show him laughing at the economic situation. What say you? Don't blame George Bush either lefties |
Objective information.
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Wow... Really? 
So much of that "objective" piece is just simply incorrect. It reads like one of the chain e-mails my family sends me. This should be treated like "troofer" babble, because that's as much credibility as it has. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| dmbfan wrote: |
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With the election of Obama, the most left-wing, liberal President in the history of America and liberal radicals runnning both the House and Senate, Democrats have seized power and are attempting to change America as we know it.
Whether vilifying free-market capitalism, spending trillions of dollars that will handcuff generations with a debt that is currently about $18,000 per every American or violating the Constitution at every possible opportunity, freedoms our Founding Fathers setforth are being eroded away.
The best way to determine the future is to look at the past. Look at the radical, extremist in Obama's past. Jeremiah Wright - the so-called "messenger" of God that blames the U.S. for the terrorist attacks; William Ayers - a left-wing extremist and co-founder of the Weather Underground that bombed a number of government buildings including the Pentagon; and Saul Alinsky - also a community organizer like the President and author of Rules for Radicals, a book aimed at activist instructing them on the ways to change the things from the way they are to the way they want them to be; among others. This is the cesspool that the American President comes from.
Is he and the liberal congress changing America to a pseudo-European socialist country? Will the United Socialist States of America be a reality? After the stock market suffered a declination of over 3000 points since Obama's election, is this change you can believe in? Media reports show him laughing at the economic situation. What say you? Don't blame George Bush either lefties |
Objective information.
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Wow... Really?
So much of that "objective" piece is just simply incorrect. It reads like one of the chain e-mails my family sends me. This should be treated like "troofer" babble, because that's as much credibility as it has. |
My 70 year old aunt sends me the chain emails too. I hate that she discovered the forward button! |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| With the election of Obama, the most left-wing, liberal President in the history of America and liberal radicals runnning both the House and Senate, Democrats have seized power and are attempting to change America as we know it. |
So, how is that not true?
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| Whether vilifying free-market capitalism, spending trillions of dollars that will handcuff generations with a debt that is currently about $18,000 per every American or violating the Constitution at every possible opportunity, freedoms our Founding Fathers setforth are being eroded away. |
Seeing as how how much Obama wants to spend and IS spending, I have a hard time beleving that ........."it is not true".......especially since it is on the news. And, considering the radical changes that Obama administrations wants to implement (redistribute wealth for example..........that was made known in an interview Obama himself said and did) , I have a hard time beleiving this as "chain letter" nonsense.
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| The best way to determine the future is to look at the past. Look at the radical, extremist in Obama's past. Jeremiah Wright - |
Right. A pastor does more then preach at a church. He is a counselor/mentor/helper/friend.....and Obama went to this church for nearly 20 years.
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| the so-called "messenger" of God that blames the U.S. for the terrorist attacks; William Ayers - a left-wing extremist and co-founder of the Weather Underground that bombed a number of government buildings including the Pentagon; and Saul Alinsky - also a community organizer like the President and author of Rules for Radicals, a book aimed at activist instructing them on the ways to change the things from the way they are to the way they want them to be; among others. This is the cesspool that the American President comes from. |
Yep....exactly. What is debatable about this?
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| Is he and the liberal congress changing America to a pseudo-European socialist country? Will the United Socialist States of America be a reality? After the stock market suffered a declination of over 3000 points since Obama's election, is this change you can believe in? Media reports show him laughing at the economic situation. What say you? Don't blame George Bush either lefties. |
OK....Europe...the land of over tolerance and "do nothing" attitudes. Yeah, lets be like them.
AIG debacle happened on Obamas watch.
The 3000 point stock market fall happened on Obamas watch (not that I'm simply blamming him, like the left did to Bush).
The OP has a good case.
AGAIN...objective information.
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harlowethrombey
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yes its so objective that 'some say' and 'media reports' have all sorts of fun facts.
Here you go:
Some say people that post this sort of nonsense are simply looking to start a little flame war because they are deeply unhappy on a personal level.
Many media sources claim that these sort of posters are people that enjoy all sorts of avarices, from smooking the reefer to throwing live babies into volcanoes.
Studies show that these posters cant bother to actually provide a list of sources to back up their claims which makes them the most fascist right wing poster in the history of the universe.
Everyone knows this to be true. 9 out of 10 internet experts agree. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: United Socialist States of America - Change to believe i |
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| waseige1 wrote: |
| I look at a lot of European countries doing a lot of things better that U.S. |
I agree, in one specific area, except for Italy and Belgium, the rest of Europe has a lower corporate tax rate than the US. This corporate tax rate, in combination with the Unions' legal monopoly on labor has resulted in disaster for American manufacturing. The car industry is a great example.
The other area in which the US needs reform is with capital gains taxes. When Clinton reduced the captial gains tax (and subsequently so did Bush) the economy responded with large gains in productivity. The so-called Bush tax cuts further stimulated the economy in the midst of a 9-11 created recession. Without those tax cuts, the economy would have not been able to recover as rapidly as it did.
The problem with the US is quite simple, taxes are too high to make it profitable for businesses to expand, hire more people, etc. With the failure of the housing industry (thanks to Democrat calls to increase lending to higher-risk low-income people) that subsequently led to a banking crisis, reducing available credit for growth. The Community Reinvestment Act, along with Barney Frank refusing Bush's calls to rein in Freddie Mac and Co. caused this problem. Barney Frank and other Democrat leaders in Congress as recently as 2006 said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were doing fine.
In 2003, while the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee, Frank opposed a Bush administration proposal for transferring oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from Congress and the Department of Housing and Urban Development to a new agency that would be created within the Treasury Department. The proposal reflected the administration's belief that Congress "neither has the tools, nor the stature" for adequate oversight. Frank stated, "These two entities...are not facing any kind of financial crisis.... The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."
It's clear that Frank was more interested in "affordable" housing than he was in regulation of Fannie/Freddie. This attitude has directly led to the crisis in which we find ourselves (in America.)
The Obama solution to these current problems isn't by proposing cuts (as would any responsible household) but by spending even more money. It's like you losing your job and then going out and buying a plasma TV claiming that if you buy the TV, the electronics store might hire you.
The worst part is that Obama's promised tax cuts to 95% of Americans (his words, not mine) are a myth. He was elected for a few reasons, but one of them was that he would cut taxes for individuals and small business. Instead, once elected, he takes a decidedly anti-growth stance, unless you count the growth of government.
Increase oversight, lower taxes. That's the means by which one escapes economic problems. Reagan proved the theory of lower taxes in the 1980s when he reduced the 70% top marginal rate under Carter and cut capital gains taxes. That led to the longest period of post-WWII prosperity the US has ever experienced. Clinton agreed, he too cut taxes.
Even John F. Kennedy promoted lower taxes, he was one of the earlier proponents of what would later be termed Reaganomics: lowering taxes increases federal revenue.
"It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now ... Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."
� John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president's news conference
"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased � not a reduced � flow of revenues to the federal government."
� John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964
Obama's got it wrong and JFK (and Reagan and Bush and Clinton to some degree) was right: lower taxes to stimulate the economy. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yes its so objective that 'some say' and 'media reports' have all sorts of fun facts.
Here you go:
Some say people that post this sort of nonsense are simply looking to start a little flame war because they are deeply unhappy on a personal level.
Many media sources claim that these sort of posters are people that enjoy all sorts of avarices, from smooking the reefer to throwing live babies into volcanoes.
Studies show that these posters cant bother to actually provide a list of sources to back up their claims which makes them the most fascist right wing poster in the history of the universe.
Everyone knows this to be true. 9 out of 10 internet experts agree. |
Again, mental midget sarcasm.
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Pink Freud
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:17 am Post subject: |
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No. It is deeply biased conjecture, twaddle and spooge.
Not objective. Not information.
Please continue. |
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