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michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:50 am    Post subject: Don't be grateful Reply with quote

When I was younger, an employer once said to me "you should be grateful for having this wonderful job". The "wonderful job" was 40 hours a week of managing a language school of 25 people for 2.7 million won a month in one of the most expensive countries in the world (it wasn't Britain, but imagine living on �1400 in Britain).

But I was grateful. Partly because I was inexperienced, partly because I was an English major who had spent two years virtually unemployed in America and knew how much the world doesn't care for humanities majors. But, most of all, I was grateful because I was an idiot.

In ANY job, you are paid no more than what the market demands. You are exchanging your services for a salary, and you're getting either what you deserve or less than that. Don't let employers feed you this crap; you are exchanging your services for money, and they are making a profit off of it. Also, you can always find a job elsewhere, especially in the TEFL industry.

With the economic downturn, a lot of companies think they have a great excuse for making employees obedient and obsequious. Don't let them turn you into a slave, and don't smile while they take a dump on you.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with your sentiment. Unfortunatly, unless you have a very specialised skillset, you ARE replacable, and in the current economic situation, there will be someone who IS grateful for that job.
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michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
While I agree with your sentiment. Unfortunatly, unless you have a very specialised skillset, you ARE replacable, and in the current economic situation, there will be someone who IS grateful for that job.


Sorry, but you're wrong. Look at the job postings on Dave's; there are still tons of tefl jobs out there.
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Eedoryeong



Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a troubling phrase to receive from an employer, it's true.

But it's also a silly resentment to form against the memory of your old job. Irrespective of your employer's questionable motives in trying to influence you, you really could still defend your attempts to have listened and to have been grateful for having had that job. Being grateful for having that job probably made you more open - as a young, inexperienced nobody - to learning all you could about the job so you could be better at it. And if you actually did that, it would begin the network of growth leading you onto bigger and better things. If you stop pissing on your garden, it's likely the plants will grow better and likely you'll spend more time in it learning how to be a better gardener. There's also a law about people being exactly where they want to be. Well it's more of a philosophy than a law but I think existentialism applies well here.

Don't be all knotted up because of gratitude for one's job. Most Westerners have an inflated sense of entitlement anyway. Maybe your boss just met one too many and thought you were one of that miserable herd. It doesn't matter. You know where that message should be coming from now. But I hope you don't think the message is crap. How you going to focus on getting good at your job if you're constantly pissing on it?
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michaelambling wrote:
Otherside wrote:
While I agree with your sentiment. Unfortunatly, unless you have a very specialised skillset, you ARE replacable, and in the current economic situation, there will be someone who IS grateful for that job.


Sorry, but you're wrong. Look at the job postings on Dave's; there are still tons of tefl jobs out there.


Well, I was referring to the broader context rather than the ESL world specifically. Regardless, you are right, if my current job is an entry level TEFL job then I shouldn't be grateful. How often do you see the "good" jobs advertised: i.e. anything over about 2.5 which doesn't demand ridiculous amounts of work or the solid Uni jobs. Not so often.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm grateful for my school, my co-workers, and my students. It may not be the highest-paying job I'm capable of doing, but it is by far the best and most rewarding job I've ever had.
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michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eedoryeong wrote:
This is a troubling phrase to receive from an employer, it's true.

But it's also a silly resentment to form against the memory of your old job. Irrespective of your employer's questionable motives in trying to influence you, you really could still defend your attempts to have listened and to have been grateful for having had that job. Being grateful for having that job probably made you more open - as a young, inexperienced nobody - to learning all you could about the job so you could be better at it. And if you actually did that, it would begin the network of growth leading you onto bigger and better things. If you stop pissing on your garden, it's likely the plants will grow better and likely you'll spend more time in it learning how to be a better gardener. There's also a law about people being exactly where they want to be. Well it's more of a philosophy than a law but I think existentialism applies well here.

Don't be all knotted up because of gratitude for one's job. Most Westerners have an inflated sense of entitlement anyway. Maybe your boss just met one too many and thought you were one of that miserable herd. It doesn't matter. You know where that message should be coming from now. But I hope you don't think the message is crap. How you going to focus on getting good at your job if you're constantly pissing on it?


There is a lot of gray between the black and white you suggest; there is a world between being grateful and pissing on your job, as you put it.

My boss was a westerner, and this was in a western country. Also, I don't think you understand what "existentialism" is--it's hardly to be connected to such an optimistic world view!
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Few get rich working for someone else. However the risk of losing everything is much greater when you work for yourself or own your own enterprise. Do you want the safety of a paycheck or are you willing to take a risk. Safety is inversely proportional to reward. The question to ask yourself isn't how much compensation you think your worth. The question you need to ask yourself is how much risk you are willing to take. Know yourself and be satisfied with the answer.
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wages for the qualified often rise during tight job market because the qualified workers' expertise is so much more valued.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who listens to Michaellambling is a fool.

This is bad advice. Not the first time either from this poster.

You can be grateful and not be a sucker at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive as this warped poster claims.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
Anyone who listens to Michaellambling is a fool.

This is bad advice. Not the first time either from this poster.

You can be grateful and not be a sucker at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive as this warped poster claims.


QFT! There is a reason why the job market decided that Michaellambling had to leave his home country to find a job. Twisted Evil
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tefain



Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
You can be grateful and not be a sucker at the same time.
Very true. OP, I agree with your last statement in your opening paragraph about not being turned into a slave or be taken advantage of.

But as some of the other posters have expressed, the concept of being grateful can mean different things, depending on how broadly it's used.

I'm VERY grateful for my job as well as the life I currently have, considering I was close to not attending college in the first place.

This doesn't mean I'm so grateful that I would smile and nod if an employer mistreated me.
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michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
bobbybigfoot wrote:
Anyone who listens to Michaellambling is a fool.

This is bad advice. Not the first time either from this poster.

You can be grateful and not be a sucker at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive as this warped poster claims.


QFT! There is a reason why the job market decided that Michaellambling had to leave his home country to find a job. Twisted Evil


Actually, I was offered two jobs in my home country and three in other countries, excluding Korea...
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nosmallplans



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: noksapyeong

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being grateful and being a slave are completely different.

OP is an ungrateful bastard and in the eyes of this poster, is, "ruining it for everyone."
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what the shit people!?!?!? don't you understand supply and demand? is this 1932? you're MAKING THEM MONEY! sack up.
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