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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevieg4ever wrote:
Ridiculous! Ill argue this point with you till the cows come home. Koreans expect us to drink and eat their filth yet, when they are abroad, bring their own instant noodles???


I take it you don't lke the food here?
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Goku



Joined: 10 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Cat,

I wholly empathize and sympathize with your position. I know a teacher who also has your same problem and she is deathly allergic. Eating here has proved difficult especially with co-workers and I can imagine the co-workers responses were less than understanding at the beginning.

It would be like having a vegetarian in the workplace. They make every company outing irritiating.

Anyways, she told the school her allergy from day 1. She made it clear to the co-teacher that she would die and she showed her epi pen and some other medication she was wielding. Also based on her personality it would be hard to hold it against her. I know if people offer her shellfish she would probably give them this kind of eye downed glare, and be like "You do realize I will die if I take this hon..." and then kind slowly smile, chuckle and laugh it off with that person.

Black Cat, here is an approach I did with my co-workers. I had a similar issue with insulting my co-workers about the food. I kind of... coughed it up and ran to the bathroom the first time i had it. I knew the other teachers would be insulted about my reaction to their food. It was sort of like saying "The food you people eat is repulsive". Of course that was my gut reaction so i wanted to make clear to them that I didn't mean any offense. So I came back to the lunch room. I took 1 sausage and I showed them I was willing to try again. But I said "Oh no, I can't do it... I'll stick to the Kimchi" and promptly gorged on it. I did it with a smile and very light hearted humor, so there was no way they could hold it against me. In fact, now the teachers and I joke about it. Whenever sausage is on the menu and I walk into the teachers caf, I inevitably get 3-4 teachers look at me, smile and be like "Ohhh your favorite dish is here". I smile and throw my hands in the air and say "Awsome!"

Now obviously, you can't try the shellfish but you can feign some sort of effort to be willing to accept their food. Like you could say "OHHHh! it looks so delicious I wish I could eat!" Then their reaction would be... "Then why don't you try?!?" Then you can explain "I have this condition that won't let me try that delicious crab.... Oohhhh Kesmontan (and break out and sing the mr. Pizza commerical). This is also an intelligent social move because you make an open window for other people to be funny. So for example, another co-teacher might notice you really want to try it, but you can't, so they will tease you and be like "Ohh Hmmm... This is delicious, oh god I wish you could try it. yum yum..." And start licking and embracing the crab. Everyone would get a good laugh out of it.

Like Boogey and another poster said, humor goes a long way. If you take the "I can't shellfish" TOO seriously people will think you are overreacting and may not understand that it's a life or death thing. They would think it's just distaste for it. It seems like your co-workers aren't stepping in to explain that it's an allergy.

Even if people are illogical or uncomprimising, there is a way to work them to your side. I've had to deal with the least understanding of people, the idea is to emphasize your commonalities with them and make them feel you are one of them. Which is why humor is universal and everyone can understand it. Korean humor is a little different, and seems to emphasize ridiculous situtations, violating inherent "rules" and a lot of slapstick.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
(hell even bogey666 sorted out his problem with no hardship Laughing Laughing )


it was never really a problem.

Most of the Koreans at my school fully EXPECT(ed) me to have problems with their "food".

after all, it was an issue with the previous FT, and probably the 2 before him as well.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
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Is this a joke UM?

I only ask because I am willing to bet that if Mr. BlackCat were to do this then his/her days in Korea would be numbered. It would not surprise me in the slightest if he were deported out of the country.

Koreans wont refer to any previous remarks or notification the poster gave regarding the allergy, nor would they accept any apology of any kind. They wont apply any tactful logic or reasoning in such cases they will merely gang up together and through the 'rule' book at him, as happens so often in this country.

And should Mr. BlackCat decide to come on here looking for advice I am sure you would be one of the first ones to read the [cultural] riot act whilst putting him down on account of his 'cultural' ignorance.

Once again your ignorance shines through.


Agreed. It was pretty rotten advice. No good can come from this.



See the smiley at the end of my post? That means it's a joke (as I have explained to you and others countless times before).

And no, you won't be deported for having an allergic reaction...that's absolute B.S.
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technique



Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Location: Jamsil, Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave's is moving slow, so I haven't had the joy of reading all 6 pages (not that I would read them all anyway).

My experience so far is the exact opposite of the OP. I love trying anything new (not just food), and everyone I know is always worried that I don't like raw fish or might be getting more drunk than I want to be--they always want to make sure I'm fine. These same Koreans are always interested to try some small piece of food I have brought from the States.

Maybe I have found the un-Korea. Who knows. Surprised
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe I have found the un-Korea. Who knows. Surprised
I'd tell you what you really have found, but some people here couldn't handle that.
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Gillian57



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
What is wrong with you people. I can't drink or eat lactose products. After two or three times of being offered those ice coffees from GS no more, or if they do they pick up a black coffee or juice. My mate couldn't eat mushrooms and hated seafood, when we went out with koreans they would never try to force stuff on him.

I don't know if I have been lucky, or if it is something in your attitude. (I suspect the later. (hell even bogey666 sorted out his problem with no hardship Laughing Laughing )


Wow, you have been lucky. And frankly speaking, I really resent you implying that there is something wrong with my attitude, since you do not know me.
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

technique wrote:
Dave's is moving slow, so I haven't had the joy of reading all 6 pages (not that I would read them all anyway).

My experience so far is the exact opposite of the OP. I love trying anything new (not just food), and everyone I know is always worried that I don't like raw fish or might be getting more drunk than I want to be--they always want to make sure I'm fine. These same Koreans are always interested to try some small piece of food I have brought from the States.

Maybe I have found the un-Korea. Who knows. Surprised


this post confirms that this thread is effectively 6 pages of blanket statements.
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you want to explain to everyone why exactly you are so confident that it is BS? I, for one, would love to know??

And is this what you do when in a situation where the Korean position is totally untenable and indefensible. Joke??

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Guri Guy wrote:
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Is this a joke UM?

I only ask because I am willing to bet that if Mr. BlackCat were to do this then his/her days in Korea would be numbered. It would not surprise me in the slightest if he were deported out of the country.

Koreans wont refer to any previous remarks or notification the poster gave regarding the allergy, nor would they accept any apology of any kind. They wont apply any tactful logic or reasoning in such cases they will merely gang up together and through the 'rule' book at him, as happens so often in this country.

And should Mr. BlackCat decide to come on here looking for advice I am sure you would be one of the first ones to read the [cultural] riot act whilst putting him down on account of his 'cultural' ignorance.

Once again your ignorance shines through.


Agreed. It was pretty rotten advice. No good can come from this.



See the smiley at the end of my post? That means it's a joke (as I have explained to you and others countless times before).

And no, you won't be deported for having an allergic reaction...that's absolute B.S.
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harlowethrombey



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CA-NA-DA-ABC wrote:
technique wrote:
Dave's is moving slow, so I haven't had the joy of reading all 6 pages (not that I would read them all anyway).

My experience so far is the exact opposite of the OP. I love trying anything new (not just food), and everyone I know is always worried that I don't like raw fish or might be getting more drunk than I want to be--they always want to make sure I'm fine. These same Koreans are always interested to try some small piece of food I have brought from the States.

Maybe I have found the un-Korea. Who knows. Surprised


this post confirms that this thread is effectively 6 pages of blanket statements.



Many people find that other people enjoy a variety of foods.




. . . . Very Happy
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OhioPBJ



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I've been living in Korea I've learned I can eat squid and crab (which I thought I was seriously allergic too before I came here) It was on accident of course, but thanks again Korea!

Mostly all of my Korean friends here have been abroad and all of them ate the local food. They might have still preferred Korean food, but I'm sure they were all alright and don't share the same mentality the OP mentioned. Then again, they might have been better suited to living abroad then the aforementioned coworkers, who knows...
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevieg4ever wrote:
Do you want to explain to everyone why exactly you are so confident that it is BS? I, for one, would love to know??

Personal experience and first hand observation...you know as opposed to just getting on the Internet and typing whatever nonsense comes into your head?

And is this what you do when in a situation where the Korean position is totally untenable and indefensible. Joke??

First off it is not the "Korean position". It is the position held by SOME Koreans at the poster's school. Hyperbole does not improve your points.

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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mr. Black cat, WOW.

Are you in the countryside somewhere? After 7 years, the idiots are STILL pulling this on you? WOW.

Your co-workers are insensitive and border-line retarded.


In my post I said I was at this school just over 1 year, not 7. If I'm ever at a single school in Korea for 7 years, please feed me some shrimp.

I work in Seoul, not in the sticks. I think many of my co-workers have a problem with the concept of 'allergy'. We've talked about it before and many of them have assured me that there is no such thing as allergies in Korea (just like AIDS, gay people and smelly poo, I guess). I tried to explain to them the concept that just because you don't know someone with allergies, it doesn't mean they don't exist. It was lost on them.

I'm the first foreigner many of these teachers have ever interacted with, so I'm patient with most of this stuff. I resent another poster's implication that there must be something wrong with my attitude. I guess the concept of knowing something exists even without having first hand experience with it isn't difficult just for Koreans. I have been very flexible in all aspects of my life here, as we all have to be. I've eaten and drank disgraceful things just to help the 'Jeong' of the group. But I won't sacrifice my health nor will I sugarcoat it anymore. I'm sick of explaining it and defending it. I'm not 6, and it's not medicine. I don't want to eat it and I'm not going to. I'm tired of fawning over every aspect of Korean culture just to get along while listening to the constant complaining of my ways of doing things or home country.

I don't eat shrimp. If that's an insult to your country, there's nothing I can do for you. Seek professional help.
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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See the smiley at the end of my post? That means it's a joke (as I have explained to you and others countless times before).

And no, you won't be deported for having an allergic reaction...that's absolute B.S.


I guess your smiley is the equivalent of a "get of jail free card"? Or in your case, a say something idiotic and then say it was all a joke. Ok, I believe you.

By the way, you're an apologist idiot with Kim chi for brains who has gone native. Very Happy <----- It's ok, right? Wink
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personal experience and first hand observation of what exactly, all powerful and omnipotent one? You obviously carefully pick and choose what you read on these boards.

On account of my experience nothing, and I mean nothing, that takes place in this country really surprises me anymore. Allowing for the benefit of the doubt, these boards are testament to just that.

You mentioned nonsense?? Nonsense indeed! Nonsense is all that comes into my head when I read your posts.

If you have vomited all over your colleagues and lived to tell the tale then I retract my original statement.

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
stevieg4ever wrote:
Do you want to explain to everyone why exactly you are so confident that it is BS? I, for one, would love to know??

Personal experience and first hand observation...you know as opposed to just getting on the Internet and typing whatever nonsense comes into your head?

And is this what you do when in a situation where the Korean position is totally untenable and indefensible. Joke??

First off it is not the "Korean position". It is the position held by SOME Koreans at the poster's school. Hyperbole does not improve your points.

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