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bucheon bum
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| Don't like two of the greatest states in the Union huh? I doubt you've spent much time in either one. |
Very wrongo.
I especially dislike SoCal. Is it still running on blow, pharmaceuticals, and credit cards?
Between the two they've also got all the natural pestilences and plagues one would want to avoid when choosing a place to live, or have to insure against.
Their natives keep showing up in Colorado.
And they don't know how to drive when it snows either. |
LA actually has a significant aerospace industry and of course entertainment. San Diego has biotech, Qualcom, and the military.
People who bash Socal either a) just been in and out b) only spent time in the LA area and have spent little to no time elsewhere in the region.
And those CA natives you find in CO are generally the right-wing religious nuts that thankfully do not feel comfortable in the ever increasing diverse (and for better or worse, left-wing oriented) state that is California. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| People who bash Socal either a) just been in and out b) only spent time in the LA area and have spent little to no time elsewhere in the region. |
Wrong again. That's 2 for 2.
Especially discouraging is the racism towards Mexicans--usually the hired help--I felt the urge to apologize to them for the treatment I witnessed. It was really embarrassing.
That applies to both states. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| People who bash Socal either a) just been in and out b) only spent time in the LA area and have spent little to no time elsewhere in the region. |
Wrong again. That's 2 for 2.
Especially discouraging is the racism towards Mexicans--usually the hired help--I felt the urge to apologize to them for the treatment I witnessed. It was really embarrassing.
That applies to both states. |
And that's unique to CA (or TX)? Oh please. I'd wager it happens even more in states w/out a long history of Mexican immigration.
And wrong again? Do tell your long, vast experience with Socal then. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Southern California is my home. Best place I have lived or visited, ever. Only comparable place to me is coastal Brazil, especially in the North East -- although politically and socioeconomically worlds apart. Northern California is very good, too, especially the Bay Area. Best state in the union.
Bucheon Bum: she is Canadian, and thus comes from a banana republic. How can you possibly expect anything but a harshly negative, smugly articulated view of the United States, regardless of the state, regardless of the topic?
What are you doing? |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| Bucheon Bum: she is Canadian, and thus comes from a banana republic. How can you possibly expect anything but a harshly negative, smugly articulated view of the United States, regardless of the state, regardless of the topic? |
Well I wouldn't be that dramatic given that I've never commented on the other 47. People make the place right?
The anti-Mexican stuff just isn't my cup of tea. Neither is the drought, fires, earthquakes, mud slides, power-outages, traffic, or hurricanes. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| I believe robust spending in education and reasonable socialized services in healthcare are necessary to maintain a climate of opportunity. That's why I'm an opponent of excessive regulatory regimes: the direct taxes are sometimes necessary but regulations are almost always a wasted expense. |
No it's not. Socialized services kills the local economy, keep taxes low, encourage privatized education, enforce equal opportunity at every turn, provide only basic REQUIRED services (This doesn't include education, it DOES include utilities, roads, defense, police, and postal), promote saving and smart spending, and enforce the ideal that you are responsible for yourself and your own.
THIS will provide a much more stable long term solution, because it fosters competence and confidence. Inspires self reliance and requires responsibility. All of these things your model is the antithesis to.
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Wes |
No, no, no. If you don't have a good education, you can't make it in modern America. Period. I can see a world in which 18-year-olds have to fend for themselves for higher education, but I can't envision minors being so self-reliant as to pay for their own education. It just doesn't work that way. |
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| Again no, privately educated individuals are typically far better ahead than those that were / are publicly educated., And quite simply, if those taxes were funneled directly into our own pocket books, the education of the children would again be the responsibility of the family, which is and of itself a better idea than public schools. |
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You might as well concede my point.
Privately educated individuals are far better ahead because they have the privileges and advantages of a family that can afford for them a private education.
Asking for those taxes to be funneled into our own pocket books is asking for several hundred dollars to be funneled into the poor's pocket books and several thousand dollars into the more well-off's. Because the rich pay significantly more taxes than the poor. This would, in effect, shut the poor out of education entirely.
And yes, public education is better than no education. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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More on the Texan economy, via wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas
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The economy of Texas is one of the largest growing economies in the United States. In 2006, Texas was home to six of the top 50 companies on the Fortune 500 list and 56 overall, more than any other state. [1] Texas has an economy that was the second largest in the nation and the 15th largest in the world based on GDP (nominal) figures. As the largest exporter of goods in the United States, Texas currently grosses more than $100 billion a year in trade with other nations.
In 2006, Texas had a gross state product of $1.09 trillion,[2] the second highest in the U.S.[3] The Gross state product per capita as of 2005 was $42,975.
Texas had the second largest workforce in the United States,[4] with almost 11 million civilian workers. The lack of personal income tax as well as the largely undervalued real estate throughout Texas has led to large growth in population. Since the 2003 legislature the Governor's office has made economic development a top priority.
Much economic activity in Texas is regional. For example, the timber industry is important in East Texas's economy but a non-factor elsewhere. Houston, the state's largest urban economic enclave stands at the center of the petrochemical, biomedical research trades, shipping, and aerospace (particularly NASA). Dallas/Fort Worth houses the state's predominant defense manufacturing interests and the expansive information technology labor market. West Texas and the panhandle is dominated by ranching and the petroleum industry.
Port of Houston.
Texas's growth can be attributed to the availability of jobs, the low cost of housing, the lack of a personal state income tax, the quality of higher education, low taxation and limited regulation of business, a central geographic location, a limited government, favorable weather, and plentiful supplies of oil and natural gas. There are currently 33 billionaires residing in Texas today. Dallas has 11 billionaires, the most of any city in Texas.
Texas has the highest number of Fortune 500 company headquarters in the United States, fifty-eight.[5] This has been attributed to both the growth in population in Texas and the rise of oil prices in 2005. Houston has the second highest number of Fortune 500 companies in the US, second to New York. |
Looking at craigslist, they aren't kidding about low cost of housing. You can rent a 1400sq/ft house (house!) in the Ft. Worth suburbs (and a nice, solidly middle class place too) for just over a grand.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/apa/1098886455.html
Though I also read that Texas has the highest percent/pop of uninsured individuals in the union and that crime is a significant problem in some areas, though that's life in cities everywhere.
http://www.fwbusinesspress.com/display.php?id=9839
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| Well, overall Texas banks are in extremely good condition. They�re well-capitalized, they have adequate reserves for loan losses, their profitability is good, not as good as it was in �07 and �08, but it�s good. And, Texas has been somewhat immune or isolated from the economic difficulties that other parts of the country are having, which has caused banks in other parts of the country to be in a more difficult condition than Texas. |
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canuckistan
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Axl Rose
Joined: 16 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Contasts in housing prices are sharp between places that have numerous or severe restrictions and places that do not. Houston, TX, for example does not even have zoning laws, much less the array of severe housing restrictions found in some other cities. A nationwide retail estate firm estimated that a typical middle class home on a quarter-acre lot that costs $152,000 in Houston would cost.....$900,000 in Long Beach, CA, and more than a million dollars in San Francisco |
Thomas Sowell, Economic Facts and Fallacies, 2008 |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Contasts in housing prices are sharp between places that have numerous or severe restrictions and places that do not. Houston, TX, for example does not even have zoning laws, much less the array of severe housing restrictions found in some other cities. A nationwide retail estate firm estimated that a typical middle class home on a quarter-acre lot that costs $152,000 in Houston would cost.....$900,000 in Long Beach, CA, and more than a million dollars in San Francisco |
Thomas Sowell, Economic Facts and Fallacies, 2008 |
I have to agree with the righties on this one point about housing.
Texas is also great if you like really obese women or men. Texas is always ranked near died last in fitness unlike Cal.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/116645/seattle_fittest_us_city_houston_fattest/ |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Colorado is one of the leanest states.
We like to play outside. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Contasts in housing prices are sharp between places that have numerous or severe restrictions and places that do not. Houston, TX, for example does not even have zoning laws, much less the array of severe housing restrictions found in some other cities. A nationwide retail estate firm estimated that a typical middle class home on a quarter-acre lot that costs $152,000 in Houston would cost.....$900,000 in Long Beach, CA, and more than a million dollars in San Francisco |
Thomas Sowell, Economic Facts and Fallacies, 2008 |
And taxes are much lower in Texas. And my research suggests that salaries aren't lower, on balance. So, you have a *much* cheaper cost of living, lower taxes, a more stable economy and comparable white collar salaries. What's up with Texas? |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Especially discouraging is the racism towards Mexicans--usually the hired help--I felt the urge to apologize to them for the treatment I witnessed. It was really embarrassing. |
From the upcoming Sasha Baron Cohen movie: Paula Abdul describes a fake interview with Bruno:
"And he says, "Sorry there's no furniture." And he snaps his fingers and says "Gardeners!" And these two Mexican guys come in, and they drop down to all fours. I see him paying them like ten bucks. They drop down to all fours and he says [to me], "Sit down." |
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