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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Location: Paradise
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:14 am Post subject: Shy/socially challenged student |
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I work at a rural private university; almost all of my students are freshmen.
The vast majority of them seem to get along and are enjoying their newfound freedom, but there is one girl who is very shy and quiet, who always sits alone in class and doesn't seem to have any friends. (She might out of class--I don't hang out on campus outside of my teaching.)
As someone who had difficulties making friends at university, I want to help her and make sure she doesn't go through what I went through, but I don't know exactly how to do it or even how to approach her with this. Does anyone have experience and/or suggestions? Plus, since she's a girl, should I have one of the female professors talk to her? |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005 Location: Telluride
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: |
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I also have a girl who is "shy" according(supposedly) to the father. She doesn't have a mother and the whereabouts in unknown. She is more than "shy," she cries when anyone tries to speak to her(including me, my co-teacher and the "Counselor"). Last term I had a boy who wouldn't talk. Other male students claimed he was "handicapped!"
Back to the girl, I'm afraid the father is abusing her(7th grade) but I don't think there is anything anyone WILL do about it. Koreans/schools don't intervene in cases of neglect that I know of, not to mention sexual abuse or any other type of abuse. In America schools won't pass students who won't talk, thus holding more cards when speaking to the parent(s). Here in S. Korea a student can go to school, not say a word, flunk all tests and continue to the next grade at years end. Sad, really sad! So, how can anyone learn about problems students have in the most difficult cases?
The girl's parent(father) felt offended when the school called and asked whether there might be more wrong with the girl other than being "shy." The father lives off the government, he doesn't have a job, the girl could receive free after-school classes but she won't attend. She is an outcast, as to why is anybody's guess? The father won't tell and the school may never know.
In America students don't get automatic passes, so I'd think that most parents offer more information about their child/problems they may have especially when asked why their kid won't say a word/completely unsociable/unresponsive. In fact, I think the parent could be reported to some social service and there would be an investigation done/somebody would be knocking on the damn door to at least try to find out the nature of the problem?
The girl doesn't even speak Korean to anyone, she just sits there quietly. I hope things change. Let's say the father is abusing her, if she were to talk/tell anyone what do you think would happen to her?
Your student is an adult so she holds most of the cards, but I'd think you could try talking to her. As long as she don't cry you might get something out of her. Chances are she has been abused or is from a poor family, is she good looking? |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Location: Paradise
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:34 am Post subject: |
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buymybook wrote: |
I also have a girl who is "shy" according(supposedly) to the father. She doesn't have a mother and the whereabouts in unknown. She is more than "shy," she cries when anyone tries to speak to her(including me, my co-teacher and the "Counselor"). Last term I had a boy who wouldn't talk. Other male students claimed he was "handicapped!"
Back to the girl, I'm afraid the father is abusing her(7th grade) but I don't think there is anything anyone WILL do about it. Koreans/schools don't intervene in cases of neglect that I know of, not to mention sexual abuse or any other type of abuse. In America schools won't pass students who won't talk, thus holding more cards when speaking to the parent(s). Here in S. Korea a student can go to school, not say a word, flunk all tests and continue to the next grade at years end. Sad, really sad! So, how can anyone learn about problems students have in the most difficult cases?
The girl's parent(father) felt offended when the school called and asked whether there might be more wrong with the girl other than being "shy." The father lives off the government, he doesn't have a job, the girl could receive free after-school classes but she won't attend. She is an outcast, as to why is anybody's guess? The father won't tell and the school may never know.
In America students don't get automatic passes, so I'd think that most parents offer more information about their child/problems they may have especially when asked why their kid won't say a word/completely unsociable/unresponsive. In fact, I think the parent could be reported to some social service and there would be an investigation done/somebody would be knocking on the damn door to at least try to find out the nature of the problem?
The girl doesn't even speak Korean to anyone, she just sits there quietly. I hope things change. Let's say the father is abusing her, if she were to talk/tell anyone what do you think would happen to her?
Your student is an adult so she holds most of the cards, but I'd think you could try talking to her. As long as she don't cry you might get something out of her. Chances are she has been abused or is from a poor family, is she good looking? |
She might have been abused, or she's just shy; she's not terribly good looking, but the ugly get molested, too. Plus, it could have been physical or emotional abuse, or maybe she's getting over a bad breakup...there are tons of possibilities.
My concern is getting her out of her shell--I have no idea how to approach her. Plus, her English is very poor. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Leave her alone. Stop pressuring people. No one wants to talk to you. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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buymybook wrote: |
In America students don't get automatic passes,
Then why was it that in 1993 "90 million Americans possess only rudimentary literacy skills" And an estimated 25 million can not read and write at all?
http://www.efmoody.com/miscellaneous/illiteracy.html
Please do some research before you post.
so I'd think that most parents offer more information about their child/problems they may have especially when asked why their kid won't say a word/completely unsociable/unresponsive. In fact, I think the parent could be reported to some social service and there would be an investigation done/somebody would be knocking on the damn door to at least try to find out the nature of the problem?
Nonsense. A number of children routinely "fall through the cracks" each year. Then there is some hand-wringing and then everyone forgets about it until the next high-profile case.
The girl doesn't even speak Korean to anyone, she just sits there quietly. I hope things change. Let's say the father is abusing her, if she were to talk/tell anyone what do you think would happen to her?
Your student is an adult so she holds most of the cards, but I'd think you could try talking to her. As long as she don't cry you might get something out of her. Chances are she has been abused or is from a poor family, is she good looking? |
Because ugly girls don't get abused is that it? What the heck do her looks have to do with it? |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Shyness is rooted from lack of self- confidence.
A large part of confidence is not caring what other people think. It's a catch 22.
This is somewhat beyond your power.
Building self confidence can come from being so focused on what you do well, that you don't care about what other people think. Or just not caring.
You can't teach it, you can't encourage, nor can you communicate it. She has to experience it herself.
Also, you can't help her unless she wants to help herself. Shyness isn't necessarily a bad thing either, so she may not feel the need to change.
If you really want to help, you would ideally create situations where she would learn to ignore what other people are saying. Or teach her how to ignore her own internal negative thoughts.
I don't believe pushing people out of shyness works. In fact, it makes the situation even worse, by both reinforcing her perception of herself being shy and create stress for her to change.
IF SHE WANTS YOUR ADVICE) I can share my secret for overcoming shyness with people. Have her repeat this phrase many times, internally "I don't care what other people think". Just have her repeat it again and again.
Also, tell her that life is short, you only have a short time on this planet.
It might also help to give her a Descarte theory like "are you even sure that other people exist? Maybe they are just robots set up to test you in this world?"
These however, are just little little tricks. They don't compare to a real life experience of taking risks and being rewarded. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005 Location: Telluride
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
buymybook wrote: |
In America students don't get automatic passes,
Then why was it that in 1993 "90 million Americans possess only rudimentary literacy skills" And an estimated 25 million can not read and write at all?
http://www.efmoody.com/miscellaneous/illiteracy.html
Please do some research before you post.
so I'd think that most parents offer more information about their child/problems they may have especially when asked why their kid won't say a word/completely unsociable/unresponsive. In fact, I think the parent could be reported to some social service and there would be an investigation done/somebody would be knocking on the damn door to at least try to find out the nature of the problem?
Nonsense. A number of children routinely "fall through the cracks" each year. Then there is some hand-wringing and then everyone forgets about it until the next high-profile case.
The girl doesn't even speak Korean to anyone, she just sits there quietly. I hope things change. Let's say the father is abusing her, if she were to talk/tell anyone what do you think would happen to her?
Your student is an adult so she holds most of the cards, but I'd think you could try talking to her. As long as she don't cry you might get something out of her. Chances are she has been abused or is from a poor family, is she good looking? |
Because ugly girls don't get abused is that it? What the heck do her looks have to do with it? |
I didn't say "ugly" you did
If she comes from a poor family, has been abused, and isn't good looking then that is 3 strikes your out, just something that Koreans heavily consider. Don't you know that or have you forgotten that photos are required to get a job?
You are taking me quite literally, it's really not that hard to grasp. You are like "rollo" who isn't able to get anologies.
"TheUrbanMyth" wrote ..."Please do some research before you post."
You're kidding right? I don't care about your use of google
It doesn't take a Braniac or "Researcher" to know that the "unwritten rule" in S. Korea is that if a Korean student fails all tests they still go to the next grade in middle/high school, that or any type of "rule" like it doesn't exist in America.
"TheUrbanMyth" thinks..."I better argue that point and find reseached docs to support."  |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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There was a thread here recently about teaching Cursive. Just a thought, but this might be something that may interest the shy ones, something they can practice on their own and maybe even be talented at? Bringing out a talent could help bring them out of their shell. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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buymybook wrote: |
TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
buymybook wrote: |
In America students don't get automatic passes,
Then why was it that in 1993 "90 million Americans possess only rudimentary literacy skills" And an estimated 25 million can not read and write at all?
http://www.efmoody.com/miscellaneous/illiteracy.html
Please do some research before you post.
so I'd think that most parents offer more information about their child/problems they may have especially when asked why their kid won't say a word/completely unsociable/unresponsive. In fact, I think the parent could be reported to some social service and there would be an investigation done/somebody would be knocking on the damn door to at least try to find out the nature of the problem?
Nonsense. A number of children routinely "fall through the cracks" each year. Then there is some hand-wringing and then everyone forgets about it until the next high-profile case.
The girl doesn't even speak Korean to anyone, she just sits there quietly. I hope things change. Let's say the father is abusing her, if she were to talk/tell anyone what do you think would happen to her?
Your student is an adult so she holds most of the cards, but I'd think you could try talking to her. As long as she don't cry you might get something out of her. Chances are she has been abused or is from a poor family, is she good looking? |
Because ugly girls don't get abused is that it? What the heck do her looks have to do with it? |
I didn't say "ugly" you did
You asked if she was good looking and implied that she could have be abused because of it.
If she comes from a poor family, has been abused, and isn't good looking then that is 3 strikes your out, just something that Koreans heavily consider. Don't you know that or have you forgotten that photos are required to get a job?
What does a requirement to get a JOB have to do with a STUDENT?
You are taking me quite literally, it's really not that hard to grasp. You are like "rollo" who isn't able to get anologies.
"TheUrbanMyth" wrote ..."Please do some research before you post."
You're kidding right? I don't care about your use of google
It doesn't take a Braniac or "Researcher" to know that the "unwritten rule" in S. Korea is that if a Korean student fails all tests they still go to the next grade in middle/high school, that or any type of "rule" like it doesn't exist in America.
Only it DOES exist in America. Students are routinely passed even though they shouldn't be. That is why so many graduate from high school even though they are functionally illiterate. This is a widely known and accepted problem. Don't try and deny reality...sorry I forget denying reality is your M.O...my bad.
"TheUrbanMyth" thinks..."I better argue that point and find reseached docs to support."  |
Actually I don't think you should. It's rather amusing to see you post absolute nonsense as fact. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005 Location: Telluride
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
You asked if she was good looking and implied that she could have be abused because of it.
What does a requirement to get a JOB have to do with a STUDENT?
It doesn't take a Braniac or "Researcher" to know that the "unwritten rule" in S. Korea is that if a Korean student fails all tests they still go to the next grade in middle/high school, that or any type of "rule" like it doesn't exist in America.
"TheUrbanMyth" thinks..."I better argue that point and find reseached docs to support."
Actually I don't think you should. It's rather amusing to see you post absolute nonsense as fact. |
1) I did NOT imply that and I already explained what I meant. Poor, abused, not good looking = 3 strikes and you're out. I don't think you read what I write and only take what you want from my posts.
2) Again, you missed the analogy, I was simply trying to point out the importance of appeance. I'd say you("TheUrbanMyth") are off your game today.
3) "TheUrbanMyth" wrote..."Actually I don't think you should." You don't know how to comprehend even simpleton English. If you'll take a moment to reread you might understand that I wasn't suggesting I argue but rather your own thinking("TheUrbanMyth thinks") of what to make argumentative. I guess very simpleton English is too difficult for you to grasp.  |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Shy/socially challenged student |
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michaelambling wrote: |
but there is one girl who is very shy and quiet, who always sits alone in class and doesn't seem to have any friends. |
Your girl might be a 'Wanta." That's Korean for 'outcast' - it could be because of her looks, her IQ, her family, her clothes, her financial situation, her grades, her breath, or anything. There's at least 1 or 2 Wanta's in every Korean school - it's the negative side to this 'group-think, 'family-based society. You are either in the group - or your are an outcast (kinda like 'foreigners' in Korea).
I once had a girl student "Wanta'd' because the 'group' thought she was speaking to much English with the English Camp teachers. She had to write an apology letter to the group for mixing with outsiders.
I'd say nothing you do is going to change her life if she's been marked as "Wanta.' She's going to have a very low self-image - and you won't be able to change that. I suspect many Wantas commit suicide. |
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samcheokguy

Joined: 02 Nov 2008 Location: Samcheok G-do
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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No Korea culture is kind. We are group! We never make anyone kill themself! Korean number 1
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