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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:01 am Post subject: Korean imigration is very pleasant! |
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This is in regards to the Kenzi Snider homicide case of Jamie Penich in an Itaewon Hotel. A story was on Primetime Live today. This was on her 'lawyers' webpage.
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But it looks like, absurdly, Kenzi may have immigration-law problems in the case that she's acquitted by the Supreme Court. Investigating her visa status, we learned that currently Kenzi is in Korea with no entry visa, making her an illegal entrant. Of course, she was brought to Korea against her will by the government of Korea, as a prisoner in handcuffs to stand trial for a homicide she didn't commit, but the Immigration Department is telling us that Kenzi should have applied to the Korean Embassy or Consulate to obtain a "G-1" litigation visa before entering Korea. From her jail cell! So, they are promising that if she is found innocent, she will unavoidably be detained in an immigration facility for her visa "violation" to be adjudicated. They need to fine her several million won for the overstay. Regulations are regulations, and, as you know, Korea is a law-abiding country. Fantastic.
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http://brendon.typepad.com/goldbrick/2003/12/now_the_law_mus.html
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It's bad enough defeating the filter in the body of a post, but in the title of a thread? Use the brain that God gave you, please. Edited by moi.
--==Hank==-- |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:09 am Post subject: |
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They have no idea of what the word public relations means do they ...  |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| She'll probably get a violation if found guilty too. There should be a prisoner visa... |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:47 am Post subject: |
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EDIT: got the page to load finally...
Prosecutors have the right to appeal a ruling...that is F**ked up!!! |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:35 am Post subject: |
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We all know that most koreans or the korea way of doing things is FUBAR. This is one of the reasons why businesses are not happy to invest in korea. Changing the rules in the middle of the game.
Strange; when foreign President's visit korea, they of course have diplomatic immunity and need no visa, etc. BUT, their security staff DO NOT have visas or diplomatic immunity! Pray tell me then, why korean immigration does not go after them for illegal entry!?! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
EDIT: got the page to load finally...
Prosecutors have the right to appeal a ruling...that is F**ked up!!! |
Why? Because they don't have that in the West? Defense lawyers have that right in the West. Why shouldn't prosecutors? |
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candu
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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The Immigration PR at Incheon Airport is much better than the neutral to hostile reception I often received at Kimpo back in the day, but the office could do with a refresher on service and manners, to say the least.
My wife and I went in there - Mokdong HQ - a couple of weeks ago to take care of my visa, and arrived just in time to see a Chinese Korean take a head butt from an Immigration officer. Seems the staff didn't appreciate this man and his Korean wife complaining about the indignity of waiting in line so long. Anyway, this thug with a government name card managed to open up a pretty bad cut over this guy's eye, not to mention stun him a little. His wife went nuts, screaming about racism, etc. After about fifteen minutes of her screaming, crying, and trying to slow/stop her husband's bleeding - and the Immigration workers giving it right back to her in vulgar language without so much as a hint of regret - both husband and wife were hustled away in an Immigration bus - presumeably to a hospital - just before the local police arrived.
On the plus side, several Korean witnesses called the police. There was a big crowd, and most people - Korean and foreign - were pretty upset about it. On the negative side, it was clear to everbody once "Seoul's finest" arrived there that nothing was going to come of it. Furthermore, for the next hour, the staff spent the next thirty minutes photographing the waiting area - and all of us in line - either to try to document the incident after the fact or maybe to remind anybody who was thinking about saying something that they were on film. How's that for PR, 2004 style?
By the way, I'm morbidly looking forward to reading how some other posters will try to rationalize/justify/explain this kind of incident away by making highly questionable claims of how the same thing happens in government offices in Canada every day, or better yet, because they've never had a bad experience, others' experiences are meaningless! |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: yes |
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I went to Uijeongbu a while back to get a re-entry visa. That was a gong show. It was filled with people of all different nationalities, but presumably, mostly the 'undesirables', more likely, the soon to be deported people.
It was so crowded and so much pushing was going on, I wanted to bail out. My boss (a gyopo) was doing all of the talking. I went to buy the stamps and the girl barked at me 'sam man won juseyo'. I don't want to imagine what would have happened if I didn't understand basic korean. Some guy behind the desk was yelling nonstop. We took a number and waited...and the numbers were jumping all over the place, in no particular order at all.
Man it sucked. Immigration are real pecker cunts. We could feel the hatred towards foreigners from their actions. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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EDIT: got the page to load finally...
Prosecutors have the right to appeal a ruling...that is F**ked up!!! |
Why? Because they don't have that in the West? Defense lawyers have that right in the West. Why shouldn't prosecutors? |
Prosecutors are the ones laying the charge. I think the onus should be on THEM to prove you did what they say you did. If they mess it up the first time or get a judgement they don't like, why should they have the right to try again? |
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The Lemon
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| The Immigration PR at Incheon Airport is much better than the neutral to hostile reception I often received at Kimpo back in the day |
Same here. Generally no problems with those guys anymore. I also had good luck with the Mokdong office in Seoul when I used to live there, though I hated being there.
Service at the Gwangju office isn't great, though it's a fascinating place to hang out. Just last week I watched a "freaky foreigner" Canadian run in, inform the officers in English that he lost his residence card and passport (and credit cards, I think he said), and when they tried to respond, he yelled back at them, "I DON'T UNDERSTAND KOREAN!!!" and ran out the door. Hoo-kay. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Prosecutors have the right to appeal a ruling...that is F**ked up!!! |
What country are you referring to that doesn't allow this option? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
EDIT: got the page to load finally...
Prosecutors have the right to appeal a ruling...that is F**ked up!!! |
Why? Because they don't have that in the West? Defense lawyers have that right in the West. Why shouldn't prosecutors? |
In the UK there is an attempt to remove the "double jeopardy" rule in murder cases. Thus far, there is no case in the UK where someone has been acquitted of a crime, and then charged for the same crime again. It is a rule that prohibits the prosecution from "having another go" after acquittal. It could be very dangerous to allow the removal of the rule, which dates back to the 12th century. Suppose a black man is acquitted of murder by a part black jury. The prosecution can attempt to prosecute him again, hoping that the jury will be more favourable. Attempts to remove the law are very controversial, and any re-trial of defendants who committed the crime before the removal of the double jeopardy rule are flawed because of the legal phrase "nullen crimen." How can somebody be tried under a law that didn't exist at the time the offence was commited? The removal of the law is further questionable considering that prosecutors have unprecedented methods of aquiring evidence. i.e DNA, profiles, etc.
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Prosecutors have the right to appeal a ruling...that is F**ked up!!! |
What country are you referring to that doesn't allow this option? |
Double Jeopardy as a Fundamental Legal Right
The right not to be tried twice for the same offence is a fundamental legal and human right recognised in many Bills of Rights and human rights treaties. Here's a sample of them:
UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Article 14(7)
No one shall be liable to be tried or punished again for an offence for which he has already been finally convicted or acquitted in accordance with the law and penal procedure of each country.
US Constitution, Fifth Amendment
No person shall be...subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb...
Bill of Rights Act 1990 (NZ) Section 26(2)
No one who has been finally acquitted or convicted of, or pardoned for, an offence shall be tried or punished for it again.
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (2000) Article 50
No one shall be liable to be tried or punished again in criminal proceedings for an offence for which he or she has already been finally acquitted or convicted within the Union in accordance with the law.
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (1982) Section 11(h)
Any person charged with an offence has the right...if finally acquitted of the offence, not to be tried for it again and, if finally found guilty and punished for the offence, not to be tried or punished for it again. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Gord wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Prosecutors have the right to appeal a ruling...that is F**ked up!!! |
What country are you referring to that doesn't allow this option? |
Double Jeopardy as a Fundamental Legal Right
The right not to be tried twice for the same offence is a fundamental legal and human right recognised in many Bills of Rights and human rights treaties. Here's a sample of them:
UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Article 14(7)
No one shall be liable to be tried or punished again for an offence for which he has already been finally convicted or acquitted in accordance with the law and penal procedure of each country.
US Constitution, Fifth Amendment
No person shall be...subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb...
Bill of Rights Act 1990 (NZ) Section 26(2)
No one who has been finally acquitted or convicted of, or pardoned for, an offence shall be tried or punished for it again.
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (2000) Article 50
No one shall be liable to be tried or punished again in criminal proceedings for an offence for which he or she has already been finally acquitted or convicted within the Union in accordance with the law.
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (1982) Section 11(h)
Any person charged with an offence has the right...if finally acquitted of the offence, not to be tried for it again and, if finally found guilty and punished for the offence, not to be tried or punished for it again. |
Look at O.J. Simpson. They tried him twice for the same thing. Sure one was in civil court and the other in criminal court...but it still amounted to the same thing. You can also do this in Canada as well. Maybe Mr. Gord (if you ask him nicely) will elaborate on his above post. |
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matko
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| How did it amount to the same thing? |
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