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| What do you think about a hof named after Rommel? |
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| Harmless because you can't expect Koreans to care about Nazis the way the west does. |
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| Harmless because it's just a name. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Pwillig wrote: |
They should've called it the Desert Fox.
I'd totally go there if they had drinks called Afrika Slammers or a Patton Smackdowns. |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Jesus, cry me a river, who gets offended by a hof named Rommel. Coat yourself in the tears of angels my lovelies.
Rommel was just a Field Marshall, the same as Petraeus was just a general for Bush. Having a job as Field Marshall in North Africa didn't make him responsible for the whole bag of shit. The Afrikakorps didn't commit war crimes, just war (and they did it very, very well.) They treated their captives well according to record.
Anyone offended by this doesn't know A. their history and B. their a rse from their elbow. It's always the 'deeply offended' crew who are the most nauseatingly ignorant.
If you're offended, you're a t wat.
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Ukon wrote: |
| Pwillig wrote: |
They should've called it the Desert Fox.
I'd totally go there if they had drinks called Afrika Slammers or a Patton Smackdowns. |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Oh, for a moment I thought they might refer to the former mayor of Frankfurt (actually Erwin's son).
Think I have to get there before they taker it down and have my photo taken, just to piss off some people back in Germany 
Not sure what I'd do about another "Hitler" or perhaps a Himmler bar... an "Eichmann Hof" might also be a bit tasteless. But considering that Rommel is one of the few still popular war figures in a country that has been trying desperately to bury its Nazi past... I guess I'm okay with a Rommel here and there.
To be fair, I wouldn't expect to find bars called "Bomber Harris" in Cologne, Hamburg or Dresden (or anywhere else in Germany), but in Korea anything goes as far as its not related to local history. |
Manfred Rommel was the mayor of Stuttgart |
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: |
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I would certainly drink in a nazi bar called Prince Harry - adorned with pictures of the Saxe Gothas and his great uncle King George!  |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| I'd like to open a Japanese Imperial-themed bar complete with comfort women waitresses. |
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travelingfool
Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Location: Parents' basement
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| I'd like to open a Japanese Imperial-themed bar complete with comfort women waitresses. |
Yeah, how about opening The General Hideki Tojo Bar in Seoul.
Do the Koreans not know that Germany and Japan were allies? That Germany shared resources and technology with Japan that resulted in the slaughter of Koreans? The Germans and Japanese also had a fascination with pure blood, and Koreans were not included. |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| orosee wrote: |
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| orosee wrote: |
| in Korea anything goes as far as its not related to local history. |
This shows a profound lack of empathy in Korean culture. |
Hmmm, I wouldn't quite go that far, at least not based on this example. Something that happened far away, a long time ago... I only wonder who would get such an idea, or why. Is that something you learn in Korean history books (hardly, at least Korea didn't really feature in German ones) or does it require an owner/operator who spent years in Germany?
Strange. |
Maybe I'm being a bit extreme, but I'm trying to make sense of a lot of disparate phenomena; the adjummas who push to get a seat, the fact that people try to get on the subway before letting others off, although this is bad for everyone, the late-night calls I get asking to proofread texts in 20 minutes...
If you combine those with the WWII glorification plus the passionate anger against American beef, US troops, and the FTA, it seems that Koreans have a profound lack of empathy. Am I wrong on this?
Sorry, smee--I'm kinda hijacking the thread.  |
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nosmallplans
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: noksapyeong
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| hugekebab wrote: |
| If you're offended, you're a t wat. |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| michaelambling wrote: |
| it seems that Koreans have a profound lack of empathy. Am I wrong on this? |
CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! |
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waynehead
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd love to raise a glass to Rommel at that HOF. He was a helluva man during hella bad times, unlike a lot of his contemporaries. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| hugekebab wrote: |
| Rommel was just a Field Marshall, the same as Petraeus was just a general for Bush. |
So the logical assumption is that Bush was like Hitler? I think YOU need to learn your current events before spouting comparisons of Bush and Hitler. Saddam was closer to Hitler than Bush ever was. Just as the Kurds, and the Shia.. And anyone not in the B'aath Party.
Regarding the comment of "knowing your history," you are completely right. Rommel was "honorable" as far as war is concerned. Patton respected him, in the miltary, we studied Rommel's tactics. He was a "worthy" adversary and not a Nazi butcher. Rommel was around in WWI and was a career military man, he didn't subscribe to Nazism any more than our generals under Clinton subscribed to our incompetent policies in Bosnia, Chad and the Sudan, or our lack of policy in Rwanda.
The Bush=Hilter argument is pretty tired. I don't recall Bush setting up extermination camps. In Gitmo, prisoners are treated better than in any American county jail. Bush hasn't ordered the arrest and execution of dissident journalists (else, there'd be no news media left!) He also didn't order chemical weapons attacks on our enemies. Love Bush or hate him, he didn't act out of hatred of a race, he didn't attempt to invade Canada as Hilter invaded Poland. He didn't round up gays, gypsies, jews or the Maquisards and send them on cattle trucks to camps.
He certainly didn't order medical experiments performed on prisoners. He didn't have a secret police kicking in doors of those suspected of disagreeing with him.
I don't know if you meant to draw the parallel between Bush and Hitler, but it seems like a common enough sport that I had to jump in to defend a president who, might not have always made the best tactical decisions, but who was certainly no Hitler.
Interestingly, the Nazi movement was about National Socialism. Government control and ownership of industry, muzzles on dissent, etc. It seems like our current president is falling more into that mold than Bush ever did: federal control of banks, mandates to General Motors and other industries, childish attacks on Rush Limbaugh and other rightist opponents of the administration. Economically and militarily, Bush was nowhere near Hitler. Economically, our current president isn't far off..
But no American president (or British PM) can even come close to Hitler or Stalin, to suggest otherwise is revealing a profound ignorance.
Now comparing Michael Moore to Leni Riefenstahl.. that would be a better parallel.. |
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