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Brits definitely get no pension refund/transfer
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Snowflake



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:41 pm    Post subject: Brits definitely get no pension refund/transfer Reply with quote

I've been trying to find out about the agreement with the UK and Korea regarding pension for a while and finally have a conclusive answer.

We are required to pay the pension here by law however it will NOT be transferred back to our pension account in the UK when we leave.
We can pay voluntary contributions back in the UK however I'm pretty frustrated at paying nearly 120,000 a month on something I'll probably never see (retiring here isn't ruled out yet...).

So I guess I'm just trying to see if there are enough people who care about this and see if there's anything at all we can do.
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should've raised this at the g20 summit. If this is true, it stinks. So, in other words that money goes down the drain?!! Laughing
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hugekebab



Joined: 05 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You just get the money back at the end of your time here. What's all the fuss about?
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LostinKSpace



Joined: 17 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hugekebab wrote:
You just get the money back at the end of your time here. What's all the fuss about?


No Brits do not get it back, Canadians on the other hand do.
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AussieGav



Joined: 02 Sep 2007
Location: Uijeongbu

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LostinKSpace wrote:
hugekebab wrote:
You just get the money back at the end of your time here. What's all the fuss about?


No Brits do not get it back, Canadians on the other hand do.


Beat me to it. Correct, Brits have to pay into the scheme but do not get the money back upon completion of contract/time in Korea. It was only recently that Australia was added to the list of people that received the refund following the signing of an agreement. South Africans, I beleive, also dont get the money back, but in turn do not pay into the scheme.
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RufusW



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Brits definitely get no pension refund/transfer Reply with quote

Snowflake wrote:
it will NOT be transferred back to our pension account in the UK when we leave.


So the only way we can get the cash is if we retire here or come back for a holiday when we're 65. Wat? I was sure we could transfer it!?
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Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure it can be transferred to National Insurance in the UK. I'm sure I read about it on the UK tax site a few years ago..
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Snowflake



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know - that's what I always thought but I've finally got a definite answer from the Pension Service:

"This is in response to your request.

We are sorry to say that there is no provision other than the exemption rule under the Convention on Social Security between Korea and UK so that it is not true that the contributions under the Korean legislation can be transferable to the UK pension scheme.


The reason is as follows. The Korean Pension legislation provides that both Korean and foreign employees in Korea be under the Program so that UK nationals should be under the law.


The Convention mentioned above prescribes only exemption of pension contributions payment in Korea and NI tax payment in UK under certain restricted conditions such as detached workers to each country.


However, if the convention does not apply to a person, the person should be under the residing country�s law. For example, if a UK national is employed in Korea, the person should be under the Korean legislation, not under the UK one, because the person is not a detached worker provided under the Convention. The Korean legislation does not envision any transference of its contributions to other countries� pension scheme.

UK nationals under the Korean National Pension Act are entitled to every Korean

benefit if they satisfy its regulation other than lump-sum refund benefit, which is

based on the principle of reciprocity. Korean nationals are treated in UK in light of NI

taxes same as UK nationals are in Korea in a view of Korean National Pension.

We regret to say that the NPS does not refund contributions to UK nationals when they leave Korea as UK government does not pay back NI taxes to Korean nationals in the same situation.

However, if both countries make a revision on the Convention in the future, it may be possible for the NPS to pay lump-sum refund to UK nationals.

There are some complaints among English nationals because of the terminology, PENSION, used in Korean program. As I mentioned above, the Korean National Pension is equivalent to NI tax in UK.



If you have further questions, feel free to contact us. Thank you."
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Snowflake



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I should say as well that the Pension Service in the UK also said it couldn't be transferred....but I wasn't happy with that answer so I carried on digging.
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BS.Dos.



Joined: 29 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take on a few privates then and call it evens.
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Looney



Joined: 23 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyeon Een wrote:
I'm pretty sure it can be transferred to National Insurance in the UK. I'm sure I read about it on the UK tax site a few years ago..


that's what I thought too. I guess that's a no then?

all very confusing Confused


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missty



Joined: 19 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
the Korean National Pension is equivalent to NI tax in UK.


oh no! That's just annoying. So they are basically taking money out of my account that I will never see again? Although I am not so bothered about it that I would consider retiring here. I guess I need my after school classes more than I thought then...
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Snowflake



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

missty wrote:
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the Korean National Pension is equivalent to NI tax in UK.


oh no! That's just annoying. So they are basically taking money out of my account that I will never see again? Although I am not so bothered about it that I would consider retiring here. I guess I need my after school classes more than I thought then...


Heh no I feel like I should explain...I'm not considering retiring here just so I get my cash! I just can't imagine leaving and so well...go figure!
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Capo



Joined: 09 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard something along the lines that if you paid into for 5 years or more it is transferable to your UK pension. However if such an event did happen I would half expect the treasury to just throw it into a big pot and not link it you.
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Geckoman



Joined: 07 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:27 am    Post subject: GOD SAVE THE QUEEN! Reply with quote

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!
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