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Hyundai Avante vs. Kia Forte vs. GM Daewoo Lacetti
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Spongebob Squarepants



Joined: 19 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:06 am    Post subject: Hyundai Avante vs. Kia Forte vs. GM Daewoo Lacetti Reply with quote

Didn't take long for the other thread on cars to go the way of all threads, so I'm starting this one off with a new focus.

The wife and I are in the market for a new car, and while we'd love to splurge 30 million+ on a spiffy import, with the current economic downturn it just can't be justified.

We've narrowed our choices down to the small sized sedans from these 3 domestic car makers. We've done a rundown of our perceived pros and cons of each.

AVANTE

Pros:
most popular small sized sedan in Korea (has sold 3 million) so spare parts and servicing easy to deal with in the future; interior layout functional and eye-pleasing; MPG

Cons:
handling; ride dynamics; slightly dated model, as plans for 2010-11 are to either phase it out in favor of the i30 or to launch a new model; exterior design leaves a bit to be desired

FORTE

Pros:
better handling; brand new model; exterior styling (front and sides); good network of servicing and repair facilities; MPG

Cons:
Interior design not to our liking: exterior styling (back looks sort of fat)


LACETTI

Pros:
Interior styling = exceptional; exterior styling = eye-pleasing; cheaper than Avante and Kia while offering more options and tech gadgets

Cons:
GM Daewoo Korea might not be able to honor a warranty if the parent company goes under in the USA; Daewoo is not as well liked by Koreans, and many claim its quality is inferior to the other 2 carmakers (which btw I think is bunk)


With the current economic conditions all three carmakers are throwing incentives and rebates around to try to entice prospective customers, and these could increase in the near future, so we might hold off for a month or 3. We are leaning towards the Lacetti but pending test driving it have yet to make a firm decision

Anyone out there who has lined these three up for comparison before? Does anyone else own the new Lacetti and/or test driven it?
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3MB



Joined: 26 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not buy something bigger?? The Avante isnt a bad looking car but I can assure you its gonna get small after a while. A larger sedan would only be a bit more expensive with rebates and discounts thrown in.
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John_ESL_White



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lacetti has a lot of leg room. I'm 6+ and had extra room with the seat all the way back. Definately more that the Hyundai.

I appreciate your dilemma. Choosing between Korean cars sux because Korea cars, like US cars, are not so great.

Take a look at the Samsung car line. SM3s are not too expensive and their engines are made in Japan! (I was told).
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GwangjuParents



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cons for the Avante are handling and ride dynamics?

Were does that come from?

I drive my Avante everyday and it's perfectly fine.

If you're sticking large adults in the backseat, the Avante could be small.

But we just throw our kids in the back, so size is not really an issue.
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ulsanchris



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go with the SM3 it is safer and more reliable than the others.
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Chamchiman



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
Go with the SM3 it is safer...


Link please.
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Xuanzang



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldnt another con of the Forte be the price?
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ulsanchris



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry don't have a link. But that's what the sale's guy said. I will admit that that isn't the most reliable source. It's not a korean designed car. It's designed by nissan which is owned by renault which has put a priority on safety. So it should be safe. Safer than other cars made in korea except for the genesis which rate well in crash tests and uses the latest generation of airbags, which the SM3 doesn't use. The only other korean cars that use the latest generation air bags are the SM5 and SM7.
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Chamchiman



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spongebob,

First of all, how about bumping this thread when you buy your car? Let us know what you decided and how it worked out for you. Good luck.

I'm assuming you've checked out the Avante vs. SM3 thread:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=150758&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

In that thread I wrote this:

Quote:
Another thing to consider (especially if you're going to keep the car for more than a few years) is whether to spend the extra couple of million to move up from a gas engine to a diesel. This is the reason I'd buy an Avante (or i30 or the current Click or it's forthcoming replacement, the i20) over a Samsung. I've rented both the 1.6L diesel Avante and the i30 with the same engine, and both cars were getting 16 to 18 kilometers per liter. With a 50 liter tank and gentle driving, it's possible to squeeze around 800 kilometers out of a tank. I think diesel is around 1300 won right now, so for 65,000 you'll go 750-850km. That kind of economy can't be touched by a gas engine of a similar displacement.

Think seriously about renting a car for a day before you buy one. It'll only cost you 60 or 80 thousand to have 24 hours and a full tank of gas to put a Hyundai or Samsung through the paces and check whether you really want to buy it or not.

Check the crash test ratings before you buy as well. The new European Hyundais are getting five stars for adult occupants. (Whether those models are identical to the models sold in Korea is in question, but they've got to be ALMOST identical in engineering, structure and safety equipment. I'd like to find a Korean crash test website, but so far I've been unsuccessful.) ***Found it. See below.


GwangjuParents wrote:
Cons for the Avante are handling and ride dynamics? Were does that come from? I drive my Avante everyday and it's perfectly fine.


Agreed. I've put several thousand kilometers on rented Avante diesels, and the ride and handling always seemed perfectly adequate for what is admittedly a small and relatively cheap car. It's not a Genesis after all.

ulsanchris wrote:
sorry don't have a link. But that's what the sale's guy said. I will admit that that isn't the most reliable source. It's not a korean designed car. It's designed by nissan which is owned by renault which has put a priority on safety. So it should be safe. Safer than other cars made in korea except for the genesis which rate well in crash tests and uses the latest generation of airbags, which the SM3 doesn't use. The only other korean cars that use the latest generation air bags are the SM5 and SM7.


I had to laugh when I saw that about the sales guy. Joking aside, airbags are only one small part of car safety. Put the latest airbag in a '98 Hyundai and you're still going to end up in the morgue.

Check out the Euro NCAP crash test ratings and the Korea NCAP crash test ratings before you buy.

(The Korean crash test ratings seem to vary a little from the European results. Whether the Koreans do slightly different tests, or the vehicles themselves are equipped or designed differently isn't clear.)
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an Avante and do not like it. I'm am 6' tall, and I feel that my field of vision is severely limited in it.

It just does not 'fit'
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spend the extra couple million won and look at the sm5 or Nf Sonata!

the Sm and NF bring more prestige than the cars you listed..
they have bigger engines, more leg room, and look bigger but don't break the bank...

but if thats not an option for you then go with the LACETTI

daewoo korea is not going anywhere! and if they do you can get your car serviced at any local mechanic and the prices will be cheap dont worry...
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3MB



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Sonata and I love it. Handles well, has good pick up, lots of room. Nice interior and its a good looking car. The problem with small sedans is that they will quickly feel small. And these days, with all the discounts and extras thrown in by desperate dealers and companies, its a good time to buy a larger car.
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georgiadawg



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looked at the Avante and Forte, but never considered the Lacetti... Very little resale value on the Lacetti.

I found the Avante very uncomfortable (I am a tall guy) and there is very little room in the backseat. Additionally, I always felt that I had limited vision while driving the Avante.

Although the Forte was more comfortable, I didn't fully like the body.

In the end, I went with the Hyundai Tucson... plenty of room, comfortable and sits up high. Although I like the positives of the diesel engine, I really don't like the noise. Overall, I am very satisfied with it...
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Riddle



Joined: 19 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like the look of the Lacetti, check it out. As for the Sonata, why buy new when you can get an excellent deal on a used model of the previous generation? They look very similar and it's a highly rated automobile.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
sorry don't have a link. But that's what the sale's guy said.


Laughing Laughing Laughing

Ok, fair enough, you did say in the following sentence that this wasn't the best source, but, like some other posters it seems, that had me spitting my coffee onto the keyboard.

Seriously though, I'm not surprised this was something a Renault Samsung salesman would be pushing. Whatever negative feelings many Koreans have towards Japan historically/politically etc, that "Made In Japan" label is a big attraction to many Koreans and it has quite a seductive effect on them.

When I lived in Japan, sometimes my Korean in-laws would ask my wife and I to get them a particular camera or other electronic gadget made by a Japanese company and bring it over the next time I visited Korea. They'd always be pretty unsatisfied if on the bottom of the Sony/Canon/Panasonic or whatever product, it said Made in China/Malaysia or even Korea, not Japan. We'd assure them that it made no difference and that if anything it might be better. (Japanese consumers often like the newest model and tend to only use stuff for a shorter time than people elsewhere. The makers know this and realise there's no point spending extra to make stuff last 10 years when it'll be ditched after just one.) But the in-laws wouldn't have it. Evil or Very Mad Made In Japan is best, and how we will impress our friends with a Sony camera that says "Made in China" Question Evil or Very Mad

So this is obviously gonna be the spiel given to any Korean looking at a new SM car.

Personally, having lived in Japan a long time and having driven quite a few Nissans, they're not really a maker that bowls me over for quality or reliability. Quirky designs, yes. Solid, reliable, safe? My response would be fairly neutral. Nissan were in very deep sh!t a few years ago before Renault came to the rescue.

If anything, I'd say the Nissan connection to the SM3 is a minus point rather than a plus point. It IS basically a re-badged Nissan, but it's a re-badged OLD Nissan. Some of the other Renault Samsung models are re-badged new cars (like the QM5 - Renault Koleos), but the SM3 is anything but new.

Having said all that, I'm sure there are plenty of perfectly happy SM3 owners. I just don't believe their cars are any safer just because of some connection to Japan though. But well done to the SM salesmen if they convince not only Korean, but also foreign customers that that is the case.
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