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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| I'm not bent out of shape. I'm just debating the issue. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| I'm not bent out of shape. I'm just debating the issue. |
Seems the Mac folks are on the defensive. 
Mac is nothing anymore; a shadow of their former selves; just a *.nix distro that costs too much, thinks far too much of itself and now that it's just an Intel box, has very little left to preen about. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:52 am Post subject: |
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LOL! Mac is still a pioneer. The multi-touch trackpad using gestures, and applying built-in accelerometers into the mouse and laptop architecture are recent innovations.
With OS: Windows Vista and Windows 7 bring features that Mac has already been using.
In 2008, Wired Magazine AND Fortune Magazine both rated it as the most innovative company in the industry. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
LOL! Mac is still a pioneer. The multi-touch trackpad using gestures, and applying built-in accelerometers into the mouse and laptop architecture are recent innovations.
With OS: Windows Vista and Windows 7 bring features that Mac has already been using.
In 2008, Wired Magazine AND Fortune Magazine both rated it as the most innovative company in the industry. |
Meh. They make cool portable players, that's all. Even those are sullied by their proprietary software tie-ins. Heck, Jobs caved and realized that he too was going to have to nuzzle up to the Windows teat if he wants to make some money.
Now, as a consumer, should I really care about where MS got their ideas? No.....I am a typically fickle consumer. If Pepsi ripped off Coke, why do I care? I'm sure there are a small group with far too much free time, wringing their hands over it, but I'm a busy guy and don't have time to listen to silly cries of "I was here first!" Their laptop architecture seems to be.....problematic. Cool looking, but for a user (not an image junkie) it leaves something to be desired.
If MS really did rip off Mac, you can bet there would be some litigation; those hawks are always on the lookout for that, and they are silent; it's just the desperate fanboys bleating when the once green grasses yellow.
The fundamental question remains; if Mac is all that, why aren't they market leaders? Heck, why are they so far behind the leader? (Remember, I am talking as an OS. Their complete systems are just Intel boxes that can't be opened; not worth mentioning. I will readily admit that their portable items are pretty cool though.)
On another note, it's interesting how Mac users and Linux users seem to use the same arguments.
Mac is just Linux with money.  |
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mishlert
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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First there was the commercial with Lauren, as per the o.p.
Now there is a new commercial with Gianpaolo.
I love when he looks at the Macs and says, "This is sooo sexy. But Macs to me are about asthetics more than they are about the computing power.
I don't want to pay for the brand, I want to pay for the computer."
Well, in the end he gets an HP Pavillion HDX 16 with a 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo, 16-inch screen, NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT graphics, 4GB of RAM, a 500GB drive and Windows Vista Home Premium (64-bit version) for $1099. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Seems to me the Apple name only really adds up to slim, shiny portables and OSX. They don't do anything else of note.
I've always wanted value for money and an upgrade path. I'm a PC! |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
Now, as a consumer, should I really care about where MS got their ideas? No.....I am a typically fickle consumer. If Pepsi ripped off Coke, why do I care? I'm sure there are a small group with far too much free time, wringing their hands over it, but I'm a busy guy and don't have time to listen to silly cries of "I was here first!" Their laptop architecture seems to be.....problematic. Cool looking, but for a user (not an image junkie) it leaves something to be desired.
If MS really did rip off Mac, you can bet there would be some litigation; those hawks are always on the lookout for that, and they are silent; it's just the desperate fanboys bleating when the once green grasses yellow.
The fundamental question remains; if Mac is all that, why aren't they market leaders? Heck, why are they so far behind the leader? (Remember, I am talking as an OS. Their complete systems are just Intel boxes that can't be opened; not worth mentioning. I will readily admit that their portable items are pretty cool though.)
On another note, it's interesting how Mac users and Linux users seem to use the same arguments.
Mac is just Linux with money. |
As a consumer who says that Apple is NOT a pioneer, you should at least know what you're talking about. You cared enough to raise the point.
There has been lots of litigation over intellectual property, and GUI design. There have been hardware design fights with other producers as well.
Why are they so far behind Microsoft? Are you seriously forgetting Microsoft's monopolizing business practices and unfair trade contracts for which they were finally called on. Once you gain an overwhelming lead fooling the masses that your OS is 'da bomb' it's kid of hard to lose that ground.
Oh, but wait. Apple has been outselling all it's rivals lately, even in the middle of an economic slowdown. Yeah, Microsoft is the leader. But they make a product less innovative, less efficient, and less user friendly. That is, until they started going in Apple's direction. I'm just repeating what industry critics have been saying.
Microsoft die hards don't want to switch.You heard it twice on this thread. It's too hard, they say. What? And PC users call Mac users brainwashed? |
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xpat
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Location: Kangnam baby
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Engadget did a really good comparison of OS X vs Vista back in 2007, but now the comparisons should be between OS X: Snow Leopard and Windows 7; many article exists, but we should wait until both are avaliable to the public later this year. In the meantime, The Onion did its own comparison of the 2 OSs (humorous).
You know what though, if you have a PC or Mac just install OS X or Windows 7 beta as a dual boot and see if you like it.
Can you dual boot on a Mac?  |
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heddydivvydee
Joined: 02 Apr 2009
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The issue of Mac vs. Windows really doesn't matter considering most of the *nix distros blow them both out of the water.
That said, if you're involved in any kind of engineering or science-related field, you'll probably be stuck working with Windows like it or not.
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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You know what though, if you have a PC or Mac just install OS X or Windows 7 beta as a dual boot and see if you like it.
Can you dual boot on a Mac? |
I have yet to use Boot Camp to dual boot Winblows. If in the odd chance I need to use a Microsoft keygen, i just run it though Crossover.
However, i will probably fire up Windows 7 to see what's going on there. |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| There are a few features that OSX could take from Windows, such as cut and paste, resizing windows from more than one corner and some kind of uninstall facility. |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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The fundamental question remains; if Mac is all that, why aren't they market leaders? Heck, why are they so far behind the leader? (Remember, I am talking as an OS. Their complete systems are just Intel boxes that can't be opened; not worth mentioning. I will readily admit that their portable items are pretty cool though.)
On another note, it's interesting how Mac users and Linux users seem to use the same arguments.
Mac is just Linux with money. |
They are the market leader for an integrated OS and Hardware manufacture. Microsoft does not design the hardware it's OS is on, which makes the two companies in a slightly different market. And gives Apple and software developers and advantage because they know what hardware they need to specifically design more, which leads to a more efficient use of hardware.
Gates and Microsoft worked on Apple's OS before making Windows popular. Microsoft was able to become so popular and successful is because of their pure software approach to the business, which allowed cheap hardware to be manufactured in Asia and still have a quality US OS on it. (Clone PC's were a big deal back then)
Xerox started the GUI, but Xerox execs did not see the potential in it, and canceled the funding. So some of the upset scientist started to work with Apple to create a new GUI. Microsoft saw what Apple was doing, and created another business model from it, one from a purely software approach. Apple tried to sue Microsoft, but lost because it was Xerox who really created the ideas, even though Apple did have some Xerox employees working on it.
Microsoft put out quality products until Gates left as CEO. After that, it was more about money than quality. Using wal-mart type tactics to trick the consumer into purchasing more and more. And I prefer not to support companies such as that. At least in the market of OS's, as I bought a 360 over the PS3. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| swigs wrote: |
| They are the market leader for an integrated OS and Hardware manufacture. |
Ok. |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: |
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wow, i have lot's of typos. i type in between classes most of the time...  |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Apple and Microsoft are going to go obsolete in the near future if they don't switch gears.
Cloud computing is the future. Google knows this, and are slowing making cloud computing a reality. Suddenly OS doesn't matter if all the content is processed at another location and simply "streamed" to your terminal. |
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