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Too Old to teach ESL in Korea?
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Mainah



Joined: 09 Apr 2009
Location: Camden, ME USA

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:19 am    Post subject: Too Old to teach ESL in Korea? Reply with quote

Is there age discrimination in Korea with respect to obtaining a position? If so, what's the absolute "ceiling"? I'm 59 with BA Ed and teaching experience.
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lhasa



Joined: 26 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my observation is appearance means more than biological age.

last school was desperate for a teacher. An older guy walked in with a great history, street clothes and they passed. The way they saw it was he was overweight and didn't fit what parents might be looking for as a teacher for their son/daughter.

didn't matter if the guy could have been a teachers teacher.

you can easily make it here and put most of us to shame. put on some decent clothes and wear an appropriate attitude and you'll be able to sell yourself.
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Mainah



Joined: 09 Apr 2009
Location: Camden, ME USA

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:31 am    Post subject: Too Old Reply with quote

I do appreciate the response. Thank you so much. There is so much age discrimination in the U.S., albeit subtle because it is illegal. It's not so bad when economic times are good but when they're not, it's rough. Fortunately, nearly everybody who sees me is very surprised when they learn my age and I "clean up" pretty well.

I will carry on the search with renewed vigor!!
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margaret



Joined: 14 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 58 now and looking for my 3rd stint in Korea. What I found to my advantage is that I was looking outside of Seoul. I think if you are willing to work in other areas where there are fewer teachers applying and can send your youngest looking but current photo that should work to your advantage.
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SandyG21



Joined: 26 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting Mainah - I stated to a friend last night that jobs are difficult to get here in the the USA and they obviously want to hire youngsters - but it is subtle.

At least in Asia - they put it in their ads and you know upfront.

I am in my early 50s - also a BS in Ed and a teaching license.

Thanks Margaret - good to know there are jobs for us in Korea.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been rumored that age 60 is the legal age limit.
I had someone call the immigration office, and they said there was no legal age limit.

My 60th birthday was last November and, legal or not, I got a new job since then--and it's a good job, too.

Employers who are superficial enough to worry about hair color and eye color aren't worth meeting anyway.
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Mainah



Joined: 09 Apr 2009
Location: Camden, ME USA

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am greatly encouraged by all of the positive feedback. Thanks to all. When one hasn't been in country, it's difficult to know the reality is. It's good to know that folks can speak from experience rather than just opinions.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 59 and am working in Korea. Yes people our age can find jobs. The obstacle is that there is a decided preference for employees who are thirty years younger. Our applications go to the bottom of the pile. Since there are more jobs than potential employees, eventually we rise to the surface.

On your resume, emphasize your experience--there are employers who know a good thing when they see it. Be flexible about where you will work--don't just focus on Seoul. The public schools are most often open to hiring people our age. Employers have mentioned they worry that people our age no longer have 'passion'. It seems to mean they think we are tired and decrepit and won't work hard.

Be patient and don't give up. Good luck.
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SandyG21



Joined: 26 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So do I stand a chance with SMOE and Gepik?

I was avoiding Epik because I didn't want to be too rural.

What are other places/schools that like older teachers?

Of course I do want to be earning a salary.

Thanks - I really like this thread!
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like sex, age discrimination is rampant in K-land. Commonly, universities won't hire anyone under thirty... and, at the other end, EPIK has a 'none over fifty-five' policy. Rolling Eyes
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SandyG21



Joined: 26 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the fact that babyboomers are the worlds largest age population group - Korea and other countries need to get over it and rethink the over a certain age thing being too old. They are seeking to hire teachers who are young and there just aren't enough youngsters to hire for these jobs.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
Like sex, age discrimination is rampant in K-land. Commonly, universities won't hire anyone under thirty... and, at the other end, EPIK has a 'none over fifty-five' policy. Rolling Eyes


One recruiter told me that there were only two provinces in which EPIK could legally hire anyone over 55.
He used that as a reason for turning me down for a job which wasn't in either of those provinces.
I forgot what those two provinces were, but 경남 wasn't one of them, and 경남 is where I finally got a job.
I don't know whether the recruiter's story was a lie or whether the school system here is breaking the law, but anyway, I got the job here.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SandyG21 wrote:
So do I stand a chance with SMOE and Gepik?

I was avoiding Epik because I didn't want to be too rural.

What are other places/schools that like older teachers?

Of course I do want to be earning a salary.

Thanks - I really like this thread!


Sandy, there are some older teachers in GEPIK. I saw them at orientation last year. (in fifities, maybe there was even one or two in sixties)

I was talking to a lady that just took a gig here recently who is in her fifties.. I came away with some impressions that have been mentioned by other posters in this thread.

I think your appearance will matter slightly more than your actual physical age. It'll be important for you to appear healthy and especially... energetic.

they worry older people lack the energy.

one thing the older lady told me that made me laugh is that she had to walk around her highschool to different floors and they were worried whether this was physically challenging for her.

so these are things you'll have to deal with.

of course. if you look sickly or grossly overweight and are old on top of it.. well - you're really dealing against a stacked deck... sorry.

they'll also worry whether you'll be able to relate to the students.. that's why they prefer younger teachers, EVEN at the public school level... because unless you are in a top notch level school, at least HALF of the "job" of the foreign teacher at your typical fairly low English level Korean school is to be "interesting" and ratchet up the levels of student interest in English and speaking it.

those are the barriers, although that's not to say they can't be overcome.

good luck.
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makemischief



Joined: 04 Nov 2005
Location: Traveling

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
Commonly, universities won't hire anyone under thirty...


Really? Hunh. I'd definitely buy it for some, but wouldn't go so far as to call it common.

Anywhere in particular?
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giraffe



Joined: 07 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

makemischief wrote:
cruisemonkey wrote:
Commonly, universities won't hire anyone under thirty...


Really? Hunh. I'd definitely buy it for some, but wouldn't go so far as to call it common.

Anywhere in particular?


Makes sense to me I know at my korean girlfriends university in daejeon everyone is inbetween the age of 35-65.
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