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Captain Obvious 2.0



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2003 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
I think you are a liar; you do NOT make double the rate of 1.9. Don't make stories. Not even the subway engineer/driver makes over 3.5!

I charge between 30,000 and 60,000 won an hour depending on the number of students. During an averae month I make 3.5 or so (depending on the number of holidays), and during the spring when everyone goes back to school and whatnot I pull in around 5 million a month, but for that I am working overtime.

What next, you don't like the show FarScape so therefore no one must like FarScape?
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Demitronius



Joined: 19 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:01 pm    Post subject: I would leave if my employer was being cheap like that...... Reply with quote

In my opinion, your boss is basically telling you that you're not worth the money. I would take this as an insult both to my ability as a teacher and to me as a person. I would look around for another job, and only if I didn't have a safety net would I stay with your Hagwan.

Maybe if you do decide to leave use the simple reason that you need something more. If she truly values you, then she'll keep you.

And why does she have to give everyone a raise if she gives you one? Are you union??????? Ummmm no.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2003 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave the job at the end of your contract. If your boss is not even considering to paying you more next contract year - say nice working with you.

Most places here in Korea will pay you more to stay on with the school. Sometimes the pay is not much better - but I would expect at least 100,000 to 300,000 more.

If you want to bargian with here. Say these reasons.
You know me. I am acclimatized to Korea.
The student know me. Heck they love me.
Do you want to pay a recruiters fee to get another teacher.
You are saving money on plane tickets.
I am experienced. No having to deal with newbie to Korea

So if no go on a raise collect your severence(she should pay). Get you plane ticket home which she promised and go home. Take a vacation see famliy spend your severence and come back to Korea.

As to accents. Some Kiwis are just damn difficult to understand. Others no problem I have harder trouble listening to an irish person. I think the key for accent. Is to slow down. I knew one NZ guy that spoke superfast and with a accent. Him just slowing down made him so much easier to comprehend. Heck all foreigners should take the effort to slow down.

Skippy the Evil Twin Twisted Evil
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Crazy Oz



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Ilsan, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2003 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re-negotiating Reply with quote

I reckon you should stick to yours guns-if you really like the "school" (and I use that term loosely), the students, and have not had any major hassles. Politely sit down with the boss and go through all the benefits for THEM. If they are reasonable they will see they have a "golden goose", if not, same opinion as Skippy, take your ticket, severance and have a good time back home.
As for the accent thing, well, thats a whole can of worms. I'm from Australia, but my accent has drifted towards American (probably because I use teaching aids from there, and also am the only foreigner at my school, and don't come in contact with a lot of others). But I sometimes have a whole mess of trouble understanding some North Americans, Irish, English and yes-even Australians! I think its a regional dialect thing, rate of speech etc. Not really sure, but the same thing exists for Koreans I have been told. Its seems that regional dialects in Korea make understanding difficult for Koreans, and that is their native tongue, let alone trying to understand English.
Basically I think the Kiwi excuse is invalid. Put on your jandles and ask them for some fish and chips. See ya!
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ChuQi



Joined: 17 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2003 11:45 pm    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

I have to say a big thank you to everyone who has posted with replies, and advice, i think it might be time for a frank discussion with the boss. I'll let everyone know how it goes. And a big thanks to Terry for the email, i will be following that up. Very Happy
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Re-negotiating Reply with quote

ChuQi wrote:
Yes, hello. I am currently re-negotiating my contract at a hukwan, where I have taught for the last 10 months.



What is a hukwan? Maybe I can work at one of those. Razz
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*bump*

A blast from the past...
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kasain



Joined: 25 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats a Kiwi? Is that a fruit, or something?

But yea, I would hold out. Also make sure she has been paying your pension if you are entitled with your country. If you are not entitled to a pension, use that to bargin with.

1. no airfare home. 1.100,000
2. no new airfare 1,1,000,000
3. no pension 900,000
4. no recruiter fees. 1,500,000
4. No health fee 70,000 Most schools pay that
5. tax. schools can vary from 3.3-5. the 2% = 7% is your health insurance.

Thats 5,0000,000 she saves if you stay on. Keeping that in mind, I would want 200,000 extra a month. Thats about 1/2 of what she would save. That be 2,400,000.

If she has a hard time with money, you could bring up pay my 40,000 internet bill every month. and my apt maintaince fee. Things like that. You could get 2.1 anywhere else you go though.

Don't think the students will miss you. Young children adapt easily to new people coming and going in there lives.

If your owner is a churchaholic, tell her you want to stay but want some extra work in the community. She holds yoru visa, but she can arrange a morning class for adults or something to help you get some extra money. She can even legaly let you teach privates in the morning and its legal if she ok's it.

Best of luck.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kasain wrote:
Whats a Kiwi? Is that a fruit, or something?

But yea, I would hold out. Also make sure she has been paying your pension if you are entitled with your country. If you are not entitled to a pension, use that to bargin with.

1. no airfare home. 1.100,000
2. no new airfare 1,1,000,000
3. no pension 900,000
4. no recruiter fees. 1,500,000
4. No health fee 70,000 Most schools pay that
5. tax. schools can vary from 3.3-5. the 2% = 7% is your health insurance.

Thats 5,0000,000 she saves if you stay on. Keeping that in mind, I would want 200,000 extra a month. Thats about 1/2 of what she would save. That be 2,400,000.

If she has a hard time with money, you could bring up pay my 40,000 internet bill every month. and my apt maintaince fee. Things like that. You could get 2.1 anywhere else you go though.

Don't think the students will miss you. Young children adapt easily to new people coming and going in there lives.

If your owner is a churchaholic, tell her you want to stay but want some extra work in the community. She holds yoru visa, but she can arrange a morning class for adults or something to help you get some extra money. She can even legaly let you teach privates in the morning and its legal if she ok's it.

Best of luck.


The OPs from 2003, thanks for the timely advice though Wink
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kasain



Joined: 25 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The OPs from 2003, thanks for the timely advice though


Not sure what you mean. I just typed that out though. I was taking into concideration the won eexchange rates.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kasain wrote:
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The OPs from 2003, thanks for the timely advice though


Not sure what you mean. I just typed that out though. I was taking into concideration the won eexchange rates.



Let me see if I can make it a little clearer.

The OP typed his post (the one you were responding to) in the year 2003. You responded in the year 2009. Somehow I get the feeling that in the intervening six years, he figured out his problem. Laughing
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:


The OPs from 2003, thanks for the timely advice though Wink


lol He didn't read my "blast from the past" post.
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ThomasR



Joined: 31 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol I didnt realize what year this was originally posted it or I would be putting my opinion.

I think its easiest to understand us Americans because we are lazy and don't like making accents. Why put effort into something when you dont have to?

Its the American way!
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