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Ya-ta Boy
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 Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: Did you know Texas declared sovereignty? |
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This is 'old news' since it happened last Thursday, but I didn't come across it till today.
AUSTIN � Gov. Rick Perry today joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states� rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
�I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state,� Gov. Perry said. �That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states� rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.�
A number of recent federal proposals are not within the scope of the federal government�s constitutionally designated powers and impede the states� right to govern themselves. HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government.
It also designates that all compulsory federal legislation that requires states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties, or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding, be prohibited or repealed.
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/
That last bit in bold is eerily close to being Calhoun's Doctrine of Nullification.
Here's part of Gov. Perry's press conference, ending with some woman's thoughts on socialism's connection to secession: http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/governor/
Hmmm...why does secession always rear its ugly head when people start talking about states rights? |
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RJjr
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll be showing up like Ron Jeremy in his Union general uniform if they try to secede. Texas gave America Bush, so now they've got to live with the results along with the rest of us. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Stones1962
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Declaring sovereignty has nothing to do with seceding....
I'm all for Texas standing up for states' rights...God Bless 'em!
The federal government has trampled on states's rights for too long often with the threat of legal action etc hanging over them if they didn't comply...
The remaining 49 should all step up to the plate and tell the feds to 'f* off'.....if it ain't in the Constitution then you (feds) have no right to dictate to us how to run our affairs |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Declaring sovereignty has nothing to do with seceding....
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And the moon has nothing to do with lunar eclipses. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| You are not talking about the Mexicans from whom we stole Texas in the first place, are you? |
Oh no, good heavans!
I'm talking about illegal Mexicans who have not earned the right to be in the United States. I don't know much about these people from whom we stole Texas from. If you are talking about when the Republic of Texas rose up against Santa Anna's dictatorship and won it's independence..then that is more the case (ever wonder why Texas is the only state allowed to fly it's flag equal to the United States?).
So, again.......I'm all for Texas. They just need to get rid of the riff-raff that don't have the right to be there.
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| Hopefully Tennessee will secede too to free the slaves (ourselves) from the bankers in New York. If I can only remember where I hid my Confederate money. |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: |
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This is funny how it ties in with the Dpt of Homeland Security report of right wing extremeism on the rise.
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| A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority. |
So, she is blaming it on racism, the economy and the return of a few disgruntled war vets?
Go Texas, go!!! After all, if states want to get back to their roots regarding state versus federal power..............how is that extremeism?
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Actually they can't...that's an old myth.
I use to believe that as well, as I'd had Texans tell me that as a matter of fact.
If I recall the details correctly, it was a condition in which they agreed to join the United States...but something or another happened where they lost that right...not sure the entire details. But it's a myth that they can, however. |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Good for Texas.
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| HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government. |
One can see that Texas hasn't really "declared sovereignty" in the sensational sense in which the OP seems to mean it. In fact, "all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government" are explicitly granted to the state level government by the US Constitution. Ask Kuros. In other words Texas hasn't declared 'sovereignty', it has declared its intention to obey the letter and spirit of the American Constitution.
edit: I'm drunk and didn't read the op carefully enough.
Last edited by Koveras on Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:17 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Robot_Teacher
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| The DSA, the Divided States of America. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: |
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HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government.
It also designates that all compulsory federal legislation that requires states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties, or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding, be prohibited or repealed. |
Okay. Now I'm seriously tempted to move to Texas. Texas is taking on the Court's wacky interpretation of the Commerce Clause.
Ya-Ta, now is the time for Texas to do this, while the Supreme Court is still conservative. |
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RJjr
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Okay. Now I'm seriously tempted to move to Texas. |
I am too everytime I think of those Hispanic babes in San Antonio. You bring the Bourbon, I'll bring the Jack Daniel's, and let's go. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-Ta, now is the time for Texas to do this, while the Supreme Court is still conservative. |
Hmmm, I think you must mean 'revolutionarily reactionary' if you think the Court would accept this definition of sovereignty. A true conservative would whip out a dictionary and a few old court decisions and demonstrate very easily that the states have never ever been sovereign in any sense of that term. Ever.
The real radical assertion in that report is this: "It also designates that all compulsory federal legislation that requires states to comply...be prohibited or repealed."
This asserts that the States are superior to Congress.
There has always been and no doubt will continue to be disagreements about the relative powers of the state and federal levels of government. It's natural and even healthy. However, there are mechanisms already in place in the Constitution to remedy any imbalances that may occur. The primary mechanism is regular elections at all levels of government. When any group feels its needs are being ignored or its rights violated, that group has the right to exercise its freedom of assembly and speech and set about mustering a voting majority to change the laws to their liking, within the parameters of the Constitution. It is revolutionary, and therefore radical extremism, for any group to set itself up as superior to the legally constituted authorities.
Some of the good people of Texas voted for the losing side in the recent presidential election. They are getting very bad political advice and leadership from the present state government when those leaders say they have a right to overturn the election results just because they lost. This is a perfect example of the word of the year: POUTRAGE. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Meet the new GOP 'strategy'
Guv now says Texas could secede if it wants.
It's just the Repubs still pissed about losing the election & trying to stir the pot with this latest "issue" (despite tax cuts for all but wealthier Americans). A sorry attempt to deflect from the fact the GOP is absolutely nowhere these days.
Obama was voted in after 8 awful years of your boy. Get over it and get yer party *beep* together.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Perry_Tea_Party.html
They're in for a hell of shock once they realize just how much federal money goes for 'keeping up Texas.'
Just for fun--are they willing to assume their share of the debt on the way out?
Where was Enron headquarters again? |
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