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cj1976



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Language/grammar question Reply with quote

This week we're talking about weather. My co-teacher asked me different expressions regarding the weather. For rain, we can say 'it's raining' or 'rainy'. Same for snow.
How about hail? Is 'hailing' or 'haily' correct? I wasn't sure TBH, but they don't sound quite right to me.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some dictionaries might list haily as an adjective but it's very rarely used.
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ArizonaBill



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trouble with having an expression equivalent to "it's raining" for hail is that hail rarely falls for more than 30-60 seconds at a time. So even though people do say "it's hailing," opportunity doesn't call for it very often. "It hailed" is used also, but again not that often because of the rarity of the event. Most often, the people who talk about hail are weathermen, and then you'll hear expressions like, "we can expect this system to produce strong winds and hail," "marble-sized hail is possible" "golf ball-sized hail has been reported in Jefferson County."

A Google search yielded plenty of examples of these expressions in use. Here's one: http://blog.ancientearthwisdom.com/2009/02/it-hailed-today.html

I have never heard the phrase "it's haily" uttered by a native speaker. Most people would probably think you were talking about some person named Hailey.


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Koveras



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said 'it's hailing' before, don't see anything wrong with it, but I'm suspicious of 'it's haily'.
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lifeinkorea



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To expand on ArizonaBill's reply, if we used "rainy" in a similar context, it might come off more like, "It's rainy cats and dogs". In this case, there is a clear connection with "raining" and "hailing". Not only time, but amount may be a factor. Same with "strong windy" above.
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ArizonaBill



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
To expand on ArizonaBill's reply, if we used "rainy" in a similar context, it might come off more like, "It's rainy cats and dogs". In this case, there is a clear connection with "raining" and "hailing". Not only time, but amount may be a factor. Same with "strong windy" above.


"Rainy" is an adjective. "To rain/to be raining" is a verb. Both words are derived from the noun "rain." The noun "hail" derives into a verb "to be hailing/to hail," but is never used as an adjective (although as Yu_Bum_suk said, "haily" is not impossible--it's even listed in some dictionaries--it's just that it's an archaic word and almost never used). The sentence "It's rainy" is correct because "rainy" is the adjective that describes the state of "it" (the weather), but "it's rainy cats and dogs" is incorrect because there is an adjective where there should be a verb.
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dean_burrito



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grammar aside this is how I'd use the two words.
I'd use it's raining if it is actually raining at the moment.
I'd use It's rainy if it was one of those days where it has been raining off and on.
I've never heard the word haily before. But that may be becase how often does it hail off and on? Not enough that it's ever been needed for standard usage I'd guess.
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