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Re-signing with SMOE...but a different school

 
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jcan



Joined: 08 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re-signing with SMOE...but a different school Reply with quote

Has anyone re-signed with SMOE but requested to switch schools? And if so, what was the experience like?

I work in an elementary school and want to stay another year, but I've got some problems with this place. I don't have my own classroom despite a brand new school having just been built, there are no opportunities for after-school classes, and no one really seems to care about English education in general. I feel really underappreciated.

However, I do want to re-sign as long as I am placed at a different school. I don't want to burn bridges with this place though. Do you have any suggestions about how to break the news to my school without making them hate me? And how hard would it be to switch from Elementary to High School?
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prideofidaho



Joined: 19 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did last year. I asked for a middle school and was placed in another elementary school. I didn't get it in writing, though, which is why I got elementary at the last minute.

My experience was as such: told my school and SMOE that I would like to re-sign, but change schools (I disliked my school but I told them it was because I wanted to teach older kids), and I was told that it would be possible. Unfortunately, I took that to mean it would not be a problem, but as I said I found out the Friday before I started my new contract that I'd be at another elementary school. My new school has been fine. It's not great, but it's not awful. I never complained to SMOE about the last-minute switcheroo because it's not that big a deal to me, all thigns considered...I just wanted out of my old schooㅣ.

If all you want is a new school, your chances are pretty good that you'll get that, but if you specifically want a high school, you're going to have to be resistant and demand it in writing. I wouldn't sign the contract before since they will tell you that schools are not determined until after the contracts are signed, so I'd demand to get it in writing around the time that you're signing a contract. It's a bargain, but if it's what you want then you should at least try.

And there won't be many hard feelings if you explain that the reason for the switch is because you want to teach older kids.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the past, SMOE has verbally promised to change schools for re-signing teachers and failed to do so. They played the old "ignore the problem" and the "it's too late now" games.

Get it in writing.
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harlowethrombey



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, get it in writing and, if possible, be in the room watching your rep make the phone call to push the change through.

That's not just korea, but every situation when you're dealing with a bureaucracy.


good luck with it
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Looney



Joined: 23 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Re-signing with SMOE...but a different school Reply with quote

jcan wrote:
there are no opportunities for after-school classes


Cant you ask SMOE if there are other schools that need an afterschool teacher? I'm sure some teachers I know have done that already despite their present school not having afterschool.....
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
In the past, SMOE has verbally promised to change schools for re-signing teachers and failed to do so. They played the old "ignore the problem" and the "it's too late now" games.

Get it in writing.


They did the exact same to me. I SPECIFICALLY requested not to go back to my old school; literally anything else.
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Smithstar_2



Joined: 26 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My recruiter emailed Jon Pak about this topic. Here is Jon's response:

They can change to a lower level to Elementary or to a new location by the approval of the Principal.
Also to even re-sign, their marks have to be high. If they wanted to move to a better location like kangnam,
it kind of depends on the school. Some schools are picky and they request certain
qualified teachers. But it is possible but again no guarantee. First let
them know to have good marks and the approval of their principal.

So, I guess they want you to tell your principal personally instead of just asking SMOE to deal with it and
then you'll have a better chance of actually switching schools.
And, I'm not sure how you get good marks... I haven't done any open classes yet. I'm also a little worried
because my school might be bitter that I want to change and give me a low mark so that I can't get re-signed.

Hope this helps Smile
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMOE's response is bollocks because they hire hundreds of teachers each semester. There is no reason they could not move a current teacher into a different school as they are moving hundreds of new teachers into schools.

What does that say about SMOE's commitment to current foreign teachers?
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prideofidaho



Joined: 19 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Exactly. There is no reason why they can't switch you. They're just unwilling.

That being said, I haven't heard of anyone challenging them by saying 'you move me, or I quit' then following through with that once they haven't moved you, or moved you to a school you did not request (like going to elementary when you had asked for middle).

They need a swift kick in the pants.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

prideofidaho wrote:
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Exactly. There is no reason why they can't switch you. They're just unwilling.

That being said, I haven't heard of anyone challenging them by saying 'you move me, or I quit' then following through with that once they haven't moved you, or moved you to a school you did not request (like going to elementary when you had asked for middle).

They need a swift kick in the pants.


I did it. SMOE basically told me that they have a long waiting list of teachers and that if I don't want to work Elementary school, then I wouldn't be able to find any high school/middle school jobs in Seoul.

To prove them wrong, I applied directly with the -gu office and got a nice high school job that has more pay and more vacation days than SMOE would ever give me.

I acutally have to thank SMOE for that. Because of their actions, I found a much better job where I'm completely happy.
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jcan



Joined: 08 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting - how did you go about applying directly to the gu-offices?
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just pm'd him that question. He said he saw an advert for them in May/June time, on Dave's, he applied and the rest is......... Laughing
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jcan wrote:
Interesting - how did you go about applying directly to the gu-offices?


Gangnam-gu is outside of SMOE's sphere of influence. They have a higher pay scale. I work high school so I'm given a lot of time off because the students are taking exams, going on trips, etc...


Its funny because I told Jon Pak I wouldn't renew the contract unless I was transferred to a middle/high school. This was in December. He tells me that I MUST sign the renewal contract NOW. I can't wait. I must sign it ASAP. He said that signing the contract didn't matter because the contract was with SMOE and not my school, so even after signing the contract, I could still be transferred.

After I signed the renewal, he was suddenly like, "I don't place teachers. The district does."

Right, so if Jon Pak doesn't place teachers in school, THEN WHAT THE HELL IS HIS JOB?
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
jcan wrote:
Interesting - how did you go about applying directly to the gu-offices?


Gangnam-gu is outside of SMOE's sphere of influence. They have a higher pay scale. I work high school so I'm given a lot of time off because the students are taking exams, going on trips, etc...


Its funny because I told Jon Pak I wouldn't renew the contract unless I was transferred to a middle/high school. This was in December. He tells me that I MUST sign the renewal contract NOW. I can't wait. I must sign it ASAP. He said that signing the contract didn't matter because the contract was with SMOE and not my school, so even after signing the contract, I could still be transferred.

After I signed the renewal, he was suddenly like, "I don't place teachers. The district does."

Right, so if Jon Pak doesn't place teachers in school, THEN WHAT THE HELL IS HIS JOB?


Loudmouth extraordinaire?
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