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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: FREE BEER |
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To the first person that can explain which answer is correct and why the other choices are incorrect.
Question: Which sentence below uses the underlined 'what' in the example sentence grammatically the same?
Example: Mary sometimes has trouble concentrating on what she reads because of the TV.
1. Make sure you understand what you have read.
2. There is a chance you will forget what the pencil is for.
3. Did you hear what they said?
4. This is what he really wants.
5. What I want is the truth. |
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Dodgy Al
Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: |
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The word 'what' has two functions. Firstly, it is a question word, ie. 'What is your name?'
It also functions as a relative pronoun, ie 'This is what he really wants'. Therefore, all the sentences use the word 'what' in the same way as your example. Keep it simple.
I like Kilkenny. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Dodgy Al wrote: |
Keep it simple.
I like Kilkenny. |
Damn... I could almost taste the beer! |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Location: somewhere in China
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:43 am Post subject: |
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2. There is a chance you will forget what the pencil is for.
Maybe because there is an adverb of frequency whereas the other ones don't. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Dodgy Al wrote: |
The word 'what' has two functions. Firstly, it is a question word, ie. 'What is your name?'
It also functions as a relative pronoun, ie 'This is what he really wants'. Therefore, all the sentences use the word 'what' in the same way as your example. Keep it simple.
I like Kilkenny. |
No 4 and 5 while the same are different than 1 thru 3. Thank you for playing. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:19 am Post subject: |
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cruisemonkey wrote: |
Dodgy Al wrote: |
Keep it simple.
I like Kilkenny. |
Damn... I could almost taste the beer! |
Don't give up, it isn't over yet... |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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lifeinkorea wrote: |
2. There is a chance you will forget what the pencil is for.
Maybe because there is an adverb of frequency whereas the other ones don't. |
You're half way to all the beer you can drink. The answer is #2, unfortunately your explanation is incorrect.
Anyone for the steal... |
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robot

Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: Re: FREE BEER |
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The answer is #2.
In the others, the pronoun what means "that which". Even if it sounds a bit odd in each of the sentences, the grammar works:
1. Make sure you understand that which you have read.
3. Did you hear that which they said?
4. This is that which he really wants.
5. That which I want is the truth.[/quote]
Doesn't work for two though:
2. There is a chance you will forget that which the pencil is for.
It's because in this case what works as part of the separated collocation [what... for] meaning "for what reason/purpose". |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: Re: FREE BEER |
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Nicely done robot. Drink expensive beer (guiness or kilkenny) and drink alot of it. Then report back. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Guiness isn't beer.
It's breakfast in a bottle... Erin take off your bra. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: FREE BEER |
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We have a winner.
I'm always shocked at these questions. It's a difficult question for a native speaker. They teach the kids how to answer them, but the students lack the ability to form grammatically simple sentences.
Robot, PM me to collect your prize. |
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Chamchiman

Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Location: Digging the Grave
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: FREE BEER |
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T-J wrote: |
I'm always shocked at these questions. It's a difficult question for a native speaker. They teach the kids how to answer them, but the students lack the ability to form grammatically simple sentences. |
Somebody (maybe it was Yu_Bum_suk) put it something like this: "Korean students don't study English. They study about English."
T-J wrote: |
We have a winner.
Robot, PM me to collect your prize. |
Robot, I hope you have better luck collecting your free beer from T-J than I had collecting mine from rokricky! (In his defence, I never actually went to Mokpo to get it.) |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:34 am Post subject: Re: FREE BEER |
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T-J wrote: |
To the first person that can explain which answer is correct and why the other choices are incorrect.
Question: Which sentence below uses the underlined 'what' in the example sentence grammatically the same?
Example: Mary sometimes has trouble concentrating on what she reads because of the TV.
1. Make sure you understand what you have read.
2. There is a chance you will forget what the pencil is for.
3. Did you hear what they said?
4. This is what he really wants.
5. What I want is the truth
6. Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third.... |
My head hurts! |
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the oak llama

Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Doesn't work for two though:
2. There is a chance you will forget that which the pencil is for.
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That sentence makes sense to me. Is that poor grammar though?
You should be able to substitute a noun where 'what' is used as a pronoun.
1. Make sure you understand the phrase you have read.
2. Did you hear the joke they said?
5. The explanation I want is the truth.
So I see how that would not work for#2.
2. There is a chance you will forget the writing the pencil is for.
That's really subtle though, that you would know the original phrase refers to the function of the pencil.
Me need for relearning a grammar. |
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The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003 Location: Sonic Space
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: free beer |
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hmm...
...I think the answer is not that complicated(after much thinking and research)
The correct answer is number two...and robot gives some great insight to that...well done.
However, I think that explanation fails to explain how the example sentence would not also take...that which...
ie...Mary sometimes has trouble concentrating on that which she reads because of the TV.
The Oak Llama draws attention to this source of confusion �which is why I am posting this answer�even though the contest has already been won.
To that end...the reason that the example and number two are grammatically the same...
...they are both the object of a preposition.
on what...
what...for
I hope this was useful.  |
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